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#1 May 09 2008 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
Im currently MM, and i come in within the top 3 damage on Gruul, and i am generaly on top or close enough on the damage in any raid/party.

This is my spec http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cxbZVVdRVzGestIh

I have been reading a lot to see what i can do to max my damage, etc.

What is the advantage of BM?
2 out of 3 fights in 25 mans, pets get pwned. at least in my experience.
Is mana efficiency the only advantage to BM? There are no AP or crit or AGI talents, there is only a speed increase and a boosted pet.

The second question - if it is that much more damage, what are the shot rotation macros? I get the 1:1, but i dont get the 3:2 and i have no idea about building a macro, the one i use now was made by a friend.

Appreciate the help.
#2 May 09 2008 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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The only thing on that list I can answer is about the pet. The point of having a BM pet is that the pet should never be tanking, but always adding damage. It's like a fluffy dot that never stops. Assuming you can keep the pet alive the whole time, a BM pet adds a huge amount of dps.
#3 May 09 2008 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
Thats what i think as well, its just that i notice that my pet ends up dead half way through or earlier on 25 man bosses. If my pet is gone i lose a lot of damage, thus making me question how BM can outdo MM and SV if it mainly buffs the pet.

Edited, May 10th 2008 12:34am by HuntardPower
#4 May 09 2008 at 10:12 PM Rating: Good
My pet can do anywhere up to 25-30% of my damage. On top of that, Serpent's Swiftness is HELLA nice dps upgrade. I give 3% straight damage to everyone in the party, regardless if they're a class that uses AP (trueshot is useless if you're stuck in a group of mages, but I can be stuck in there and increase their damage). All this and we're completely ignoring the big red iwin button, which ROCKS if time it to be used during rapid fire, or during bloodlust.

There are many fights where you're not able to do straight dps on the boss, you're only allowed to do it in bursts (hydross for example). In those situations, BM burst damage easily exceeds the other two spec's damage.

Yes, keeping your pet alive can be a challenge sometimes (found out the other night that leo whirlwind = dead pet), you just have to play smart. First time I did leo, my pet died 4 times. My second attempt it died once. My third attempt I kept my pet alive the whole fight, he took barely a scratch. I also had a huge leg up on the next damage done, that fight with all its aggro drops is WONDERFUL for burst damage hunters, as was hydross.

Eventually there will get to be fights that BM will lose some of its edge, but for now, I'm king.
#5 May 09 2008 at 11:50 PM Rating: Decent
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2 out of 3 fights in 25-mans, you just have to not suck to keep your pet alive.

And if you can't keep your pet alive, BM does more damage than MM anyway. This is because, even though you'll lose 200+ DPS from losing your pet, your attack speed is going to make up for the lack of AP because for every 2 shots a MM hunter fires, BM can shoot 3.
#6 May 10 2008 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent
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HuntardPower wrote:
What is the advantage of BM?
Higher dps, more mana effecient than MM, better group buff than MM.

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2 out of 3 fights in 25 mans, pets get pwned. at least in my experience.
Is mana efficiency the only advantage to BM? There are no AP or crit or AGI talents, there is only a speed increase and a boosted pet.
Learn to control your pet, I might sound very cruel now but if you cant keep your pet alive on pretty much every encounter (some things like Illidari Council, Illidan and a few others with massive AoE excluded, but you (should) have 2pcT5 by then to swap in) you fail as a hunter.

Ofcourse your pet dies occasionally, it just happens.
But It's nearly always due to player error and it's fixed in 4 seconds by rezzing the pet.

Also, you should know how to spec your pet (dmg abilities > avoidance > dash/dive > resistances > stam > armor)
You can skip Dash/Dive for more resistances but i find that leaving it off autocast and using dash.dive to get your pet out of AoE fast keeps it alive more.
#7 May 10 2008 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
I know how to spec the pet, my problem is keeping him alive. With 2 T5 it becomes nearly effortless, but as a MM hunter i have not used my pet much for the entire time i was raiding. I agree, i need to learn how to controll my pet better.
Now, can anyone post the 1:1 macro and the 3:2 macro please? i think i will try respeccing to BM to see how it works out. Thanks.
#8 May 10 2008 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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What's with all the MM hunters making excuses to not at least TRY it out? At the very MOST it costs 50g to try it out for a week, and another 50g to go back. At level 70, 100g practically FALLS into your backpack if you do a few dailies.

It's good that you're trying it out. I just wish more would. I have come across SOOOO many MM hunters that just REFUSE to try out BM

If you don't think that you'll be convinced right off the bat, go out to Blasted Lands, find one of the invincible mobs, start running a damage meter (prefferably Recount, because of the damage breakdown), and start attacking it with your normal raiding shot rotation. Do it until your mana is completely gone, record your results and do it a few more times to get a good average.

Then go back as BM and do the same things.

And if you want to see that it's NOT just your pet doing more damage, go out to Dr. Boom and keep your pet on passive. You'll very likely see higher DPS as BM- even without using the pet.

Or even just use Cheeky's spreadsheet to see the theoretical difference. You can find both q download and some instructions here.

Edited, May 10th 2008 4:22pm by ProjectMidnight
#9 May 10 2008 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I was a strict MM spec for a long, long time but after giving BM a fair try for awhile I was won over by the spec. I have found it's ease of use and high DPS hard not to like. Just be mindfull of your pet's health and your mana and you should be ripping up the damage. When you get the 2pc. T5 bonus (Causes your pet to be healed for 15% of the damage you deal) it's just gravy.

Naturally; there are great hunters from all 3 specs who can really do some damage. There also there seems to be certain applications better suited for certain specs... (i.e. MM for arena / BM for PvP) Personally I liked MM/SV through Kara for the trapping abilitys but beyond that (raiding)... BM pretty much PWNS. My 2c.
#10 May 11 2008 at 3:17 AM Rating: Good
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HuntardPower wrote:
Im currently MM, and i come in within the top 3 damage on Gruul, and i am generaly on top or close enough on the damage in any raid/party.

Fallacy #1 cited by a great many players: "I'm in the top 3, so why should I worry about changing spec/gear/augments/gems?"

You change because that change can make you better. If you're happy to be "within the top 3" as measured by the people you raid with, and that makes you unable to see why any change could be necessary, be prepared for be surprised when the rest of your raiding partners leave you behind. It won't happen in a week, or even in a month or two, but it will happen.

HuntardPower wrote:
I have been reading a lot to see what i can do to max my damage, etc.
What is the advantage of BM?
Excellent! Read the sticky. :)

HuntardPower wrote:
2 out of 3 fights in 25 mans, pets get pwned. at least in my experience.
Is mana efficiency the only advantage to BM? There are no AP or crit or AGI talents, there is only a speed increase and a boosted pet.
Only. :) It's a 20% speed increase coupled with a synergistic assortment of ranged weapon speeds. It's huge. And better damage from the Pet, and Ferocious Inspiration.

BM isn't all that mana efficient. You fire faster, so you fire mana costing specials faster. SV is much more mana efficient.

HuntardPower wrote:
The second question - if it is that much more damage, what are the shot rotation macros? I get the 1:1, but i dont get the 3:2 and i have no idea about building a macro, the one i use now was made by a friend.

Appreciate the help.
Check out the sticky. I think there are some macros posted there.

Aethien wrote:
Learn to control your pet, I might sound very cruel now but if you cant keep your pet alive on pretty much every encounter (some things like Illidari Council, Illidan and a few others with massive AoE excluded, but you (should) have 2pcT5 by then to swap in) you fail as a hunter.

Ofcourse your pet dies occasionally, it just happens.
But It's nearly always due to player error and it's fixed in 4 seconds by rezzing the pet.
You forget. MM. No Imp Mend, so his Pet eats DOTS in full. And no Imp Revive, so his Pet res is 10 seconds, not 4.


HuntardPower wrote:
I know how to spec the pet, my problem is keeping him alive. With 2 T5 it becomes nearly effortless, but as a MM hunter i have not used my pet much for the entire time i was raiding. I agree, i need to learn how to controll my pet better.
Yeah, break out two pieces of T5 for those fights where the Pet takes a lot of damage. Otherwise, there's a lot better gear in T5 content. That's another place a lot of Hunters seem to need assistance with: Being able to know what gear drops from what Bosses which is advantageous for Hunters. If you have any kind of DKP system figuring this out in advance will help you improve your gear fastest.
#11 May 11 2008 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
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You forget. MM. No Imp Mend, so his Pet eats DOTS in full. And no Imp Revive, so his Pet res is 10 seconds, not 4.
Normla Mend Pet is pretty much always enough.
Really, just knowing when to pull it back etc helps a great deal.
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