So maybe I am crazy.Follow

Ok so I recently put up my healing gear and have gone Prot once again. The major problem is that my threat became to little for the guys. All the dps in my guild have surpassed my threat cap, cant tank if I can't hold agg.

I went on a mission to up my spell damage as much as possible. I did BGs (as holy >.<) until I got my Season 1 mace. I got SD gems, only 2 but they help. I did basically everything I could to raise my threat.

Of all the things I have done, none match this simple fix all. Spell damage trinkets. With a spell dam trinket and avenging wrath I can easily spike to 1k TPS and maintain it for around 20 seconds. This is amazing because I only have about 300 or so spell damage base.

Looking at the numbers, I can't be that odd to think this is a great idea. Take my spell damage for example and This trinket. That Use effect increases my base spell damage by 50%. Not to mention I am dealing 30% more damage because of Avenging wrath.

I know Im giving up a lot of Stam or avoidance but honestly, threat is my ***** right now. I can not out TPS any of your warrior tanks. And that is an issue.

This combo has given me a huge threat lead and has made boss fights much easier. I can not wait to get it into kara.

Glowing Nightseye are pretty good if you want some extra spell damage and/or want to gem for socket bonuses, but definitely wouldn't ever get pure +spell damage gems.

As for the trinket: if you're really in need of more threat, might as well use it. As long as you can still remain uncrush (where it matters) and uncrittablee, use the trinket. There's probably a better way to do it though.

Edited, May 7th 2008 11:36pm by Maulgak

I have all the instance blues I can get plus a tank drops from kara. I have a strong feeling that when I get my T4 I can go for a more traditional gemming.




Son... I have all that but it isn't enough. My dps was pulling agg as if I didn't have RF on. That little Spell dam is just not going to work for fights like Prince or even Maiden.



I am easily. Even with my current "threat trinket" I am still near 102% avoidance and 499 def. If there is a better way, I haven't found it.

The main reason for this crap is that I went Holy for so long. Everyone else in my guild continued progression and left my tank gear at "starter heroic/kara ready".

My Armory

It does show me at 99% avoidance but look at my shoulders >.>
Ive ran Bot (mainly on heroic since its harder) and heroic Sethekk several times this week. They loot is just not working to help me upgrade those damn shoulders.

I will NOT stick an the Ex. Inscription on those. I just hate them that much.

Like tommy said, you shouldn't be having problems building aggro with 300 spelldamage. What sort of rotations are you having? Judge on cooldown, holy shield always up, ret aura, spam consecrate if you're really having massive threat problems. What sort of DPSers do you roll with? if they're T5 and above then it's only normal an instance blue'd tank would have trouble holding aggro, but if they're T4 then there should be no issue.

Hell... I cleared Righteous defense and was still able to hold hate on trash. (I forgot all my buffs at the start and didn't notice for 20 minutes of trash).

i am curious as to what your blessing your party members with?

I didnt read this above and although it sounds really obvious have you cast Blessing of Salvation, our 30% threat reduction blessing. I mean 30% less threat to your dps is a bigger difference than your Spell damage trinkets will offer you.

I'm glad you've solved your threat issues, but I'm concerned a little bit about your numbers.

I've been helping one of our core healers learn his pally tank. Right now he's in Kara quality gear using a Crystalforged Sword with Superior Wizard Oil on it. If you put all of his spell damage together I'm sure it weighs in at about 200-210.

Against undead targets he can sustain anywhere from 1000-1100 Threat per Second. Against non-undead targets that obviously drops to anywhere from 750-850 threat per second. Semi-sustained spikes (up to 20 seconds) go up to about 1350 TSP on undead and 1150 on non-undead.

This seems a smidge higher even than what I remember at that gear level but not too much. It's also miles more than enough threat to handle Kara, Gruul's, Magtheridon's, ZA, The Eye, and SSC duties. We've been trying to get him a Cudgel of Consecration though to help out more.

Mages and rogues are easy :D If you're putting up 1000 TPS (which gets hard when mana dries up) they can surpass 1500 DPS (if they *can*) and not pull off of you. Mages even moreso.

Shadow Priests are where things start sucking. A DPS class who's threat (with Salvation on) is HIGHER than 1:1 with their damage. Meaning without improved VE, they're hitting 1000 TPS at about 650 DPS WITH Salvation.

I don't understand how you're previous pally MT could be losing threat like that on Prince. There's MORE than enough incoming damage to never have to worry about mana, and at the "Kara Gear level" it's easy to sustain 1100 TPS (fast attackers own) against him and spike even higher during wings. What kara-geared Mage can put up 1600+ DPS for a long enough time to not only overcome the tank's threat, but build the threat lead they need to pull? Hunters and rogues as well. It might be easier for a Fury Warrior or Elemental Shammie, but still -- they'd need at least a good 1400 DPS non stop.

Shadow Priests are the only real threat I can see.

said dps is not doing its job properly. on Prince melee threat is a non-issue, range all have threat dumps.

my mage at 62% will go invis for phase 2 unloading.