I used to use NECB, before it was broken in 2.4. The original author no longer continues to work on it and from curse's website I gather that the new author is working on it from the ground up and from comments it doesn't look very promising.
I've looked at "Mangler", tried it, installed it, only to recieve an error about needing "paintchips2.0"... whatever that is. I'm sure I could find it if I bothered to look for it.
I tried an addon called "Demon", and I thought it was kinda cool but it's way too binary for me. It's a simple and small frame that can be setup to show a red M if the Mangle debuff isn't up or a green M if it is up. True False... Yes No... 1 0... No Thanks. I'd like to see the duration something similar to the way NECB did.
I tried an addon called ClassTimers, and I think it's definitely the closest bet to what I was wanting, except it has an annoying flaw. If someone else, another druid, is for example the "Manglebot", there's no duration/cast bar created when they mangle the target you're both on. If you mangle first, the duration/cast bar or whatever you want to call it is created, and if another druid mangles before it's worn off, the duration resets back to ~12seconds which is fantastic. The problem really comes into play when someone else mangles first and how the cast bar doesn't show up on my screen within the confines of this particular addon. It still shows up under all the other debuffs for the opponent under their avatar, though without a duration attached to it. And to top things off, if I try to mangle "after" someone else mangled (for example, it's about to wear off in like 2secs, or so I think... since I can't see the duration!, and the other druid is brezing someone), this addon doesn't create a duration bar at all until the mangle debuff has fully worn off and I'm able to initiate/start the debuff from a point where the debuff wasn't up at all. If I start, and maintain/renew the mangle debuff, ClassTimers is great. If someone else starts it and I try to maintain/renew the debuff, this addon fails.
OmniCC is in pretty much the exact same boat as ClassTimers. Except that with the way OmniCC just puts a duration on top of an existing default portion of my UI (the debuff part directly under the opponent's avatar when you're targeting the opponent), at least it shows the debuff being in place even if it doesn't show the duration unless I start/initiate the process. If someone else mangles first and I end up just renewing it at the last second intentionally, by luck, or whatever, I get zero duration information out of omnicc. I only get the duration if I start it. Fail.... and qq
I looked at quartz, I can't remember if I tried it or not.
I installed buffalo, and all I can say when I installed that one was wtf. I tried /buffalo and tried figuring some stuff out, but ultimately decided it wasn't worth the trouble to setup not knowing it'd even accomplish what I wanted out of it.
I tried Buffalo2, and though it was a lot easier to get through the setup/configuration options, it still wasn't what I was looking for I don't think.
Anyone able to point me in the right direction here?
Can omnicc do what I'd like and maybe ace or some other under lying addon is borked? Is there some sort of timing/duration framework or something that I'm missing or outdated on. Does anyone use any of these addons I've mentioned here with success under more or less 95% of circumstances? I don't care if it glitches out or messes up on a mangle or two per boss fight for whatever reason... but so far I can't find an addon that can keep track of the duration for more than like 45secs before it's glitching out and is no longer showing the appropriate time remaining on the debuff.
Edited, May 7th 2008 5:53am by Torzak
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Torzak of Carbuncle(Moved To Asura)
The latest version of NECB with new author is actually pretty good. It did not work for me for a while after 2.4 but now it does and basically functions same as always for me. Checking my ZIP files folder it's called CEnemyCastBar_Bela8_7_6. Works like a charm.
I'm still using NECB with no problems at all. Maybe try deleting your old version and re-installing it?
ok, not enjoying the 9.0 beta version off of curse. And I assume from this beta the next version will be upgraded from. I realize the first response was to use 8.7.6
I installed it (9.0), and had 4 black bars one on top of the other, spent about 2mins typing /necb, /combatbars, /a bunch of stuff, before I tried clicking with different modifiers and found ctrl + clicking to drag worked. I would have clicked a minimap button if there had been one. I woulda clicked into options >> interface >> addons >> and then configured from there had that been an option. I've got no fubar option to click on to configure. I've tried an assortment of shift + alt + left click, and shift + alt + right click, and I'm not getting anywhere I don't think.
Once I found out how to move the bars (the only thing I've learned how to do so far), I'm still not happy that random debuffs from opponent's all around me start showing up even when I have no target... or that FFF stays on the screen long after the opponent is dead.
How do I get into the options?
And yes, I deleted old version along with saved variables....
Edit:
Went into some 25mans today with the 9.0 and it was a mess. It showed pretty much every single debuff any and every opponent had and in no seeming particular order. Still not sure how to configure it or if I can. I'd like to be able to get rid of 3 of the frames that popped up with it: Enemy Cool Downs, Enemy Casts, and Enemy Buffs. And I'd like to limited the Enemy Debuffs portion of it to probably just druid debuffs like FFF, Mangle, Lacerate, or the likes. Wouldn't mind being able to get rid of the title bar for the frame set either.
Don't need an addon to tell me 5 different locks have dots on 5 different targets in the mix of every other debuff... it's just a horrible mess.
I never tried the 8.7.6, and I would try it, except that it seems almost pointless to do so knowing that it's not going to be what the new author actually modifies when Blizzard's updates start breaking stuff.
Edited, May 8th 2008 1:59am by Torzak
I installed it (9.0), and had 4 black bars one on top of the other, spent about 2mins typing /necb, /combatbars, /a bunch of stuff, before I tried clicking with different modifiers and found ctrl + clicking to drag worked. I would have clicked a minimap button if there had been one. I woulda clicked into options >> interface >> addons >> and then configured from there had that been an option. I've got no fubar option to click on to configure. I've tried an assortment of shift + alt + left click, and shift + alt + right click, and I'm not getting anywhere I don't think.
Once I found out how to move the bars (the only thing I've learned how to do so far), I'm still not happy that random debuffs from opponent's all around me start showing up even when I have no target... or that FFF stays on the screen long after the opponent is dead.
How do I get into the options?
And yes, I deleted old version along with saved variables....
Edit:
Went into some 25mans today with the 9.0 and it was a mess. It showed pretty much every single debuff any and every opponent had and in no seeming particular order. Still not sure how to configure it or if I can. I'd like to be able to get rid of 3 of the frames that popped up with it: Enemy Cool Downs, Enemy Casts, and Enemy Buffs. And I'd like to limited the Enemy Debuffs portion of it to probably just druid debuffs like FFF, Mangle, Lacerate, or the likes. Wouldn't mind being able to get rid of the title bar for the frame set either.
Don't need an addon to tell me 5 different locks have dots on 5 different targets in the mix of every other debuff... it's just a horrible mess.
I never tried the 8.7.6, and I would try it, except that it seems almost pointless to do so knowing that it's not going to be what the new author actually modifies when Blizzard's updates start breaking stuff.
Edited, May 8th 2008 1:59am by Torzak
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You might want to try Xperl. its a full on ui interface, ubt it has good debuff/buff settings. combine with omnicc, it fulfills all my debuff/buff needs.
if you use it, be sure to check the big debuffs option
if you use it, be sure to check the big debuffs option
Just installed Xperl. Short Answer is that it still doesn't do what I want.
I kinda like the look of it, I think I thoroughly enjoy the options menu as it's very well put together, though I think it will take a day or two to kinda get used to just being able to snap a glance over at the party infos and see the info I want to see compared to what I've gotten used to. Not really a big deal I guess, though I'm considering to just swap back to default simply because I didn't get what I wanted out of the addon.
The thing about omnicc, which seems to be the duration numbers applied onto Xperl (almost looked like two seperate sets of duration numbers tbh... like one number on top of the other. Xperl has it's own duration numbers it applies onto debuff icons of debuffs I applied to a target I guess?) is that it has the problem I've described above where if another druid starts the mangle process I don't ever know the duration remaining on the debuff.
I did H SV to test it out with another guild druid (both of us were cat) to see if for whatever reason xperl makes a difference (I wish xperl had an option to make a list of buffs and debuffs to enlarge rather than just enlarging debuffs or buffs you yourself apply; very annoying to see half the party's LotP buff, with two different druids, as huge and the other half as small... for whatever reason lol). On the last boss of SV, ended up having two Mangle Debuff icons on the boss, which was wierd/annoying.
It seems great, in theory, to see the debuffs as large if I've applied them. But after seeing it in action, I'm not sure if I like it as much as I thought I would. Especially since the Mangle Debuff isn't huge if someone else applies it.
Anyway, the most important thing I've learned about Xperl, is if someone else puts the mangle debuff up first, it's still the exact same problem as I've previously mentioned with omnicc in Xperl. It just doesn't work as far as durations/timers go if someone else applies the debuff first.
So far the only addon that shows a duration of mangle's debuff even if I'm not the one that applied it first is the mess that is necb9.0. And unless there's optons/configurations I'm missing with necb9.0, believe me! It's a bloody mess.
I'm considering the thought of emailing the author of omnicc and seeing if at the very least he can't fix it so that if I mangle on top of someone else's mangle debuff it'll start showing a durationg from there on out. It's just so sad that if someone else mangles before me that omnicc refuses to show a duration on the mangle debuff even if I mangle like 2secs after someone else applied the defuff to the same target.
Edit:
I just looked into the omnicc + Xperl = occiasionally double duration timers on one icon issue. It seems if I start Mangle on a target, and someone else mangles on top of mine, the timer resets, but for some reason it actually has two sets of timers counting down on the same mangle debuff icon and they are like within maybe a fourth of a second apart as they count down. When you can see a 7 and 8 on the icon and you're just glancing real fast at the number, it sure can make things harder to read.
Double timers on one mangle debuff icon wasn't an issue prior to installing Xperl, though it worked more or less the same way with the default UI portion that Xperl replaced.
Still, the thing I'm wanting worked out here is that when someone else applies the debuff first and I renew/maintain it.
Edited, May 8th 2008 8:39pm by Torzak
I kinda like the look of it, I think I thoroughly enjoy the options menu as it's very well put together, though I think it will take a day or two to kinda get used to just being able to snap a glance over at the party infos and see the info I want to see compared to what I've gotten used to. Not really a big deal I guess, though I'm considering to just swap back to default simply because I didn't get what I wanted out of the addon.
The thing about omnicc, which seems to be the duration numbers applied onto Xperl (almost looked like two seperate sets of duration numbers tbh... like one number on top of the other. Xperl has it's own duration numbers it applies onto debuff icons of debuffs I applied to a target I guess?) is that it has the problem I've described above where if another druid starts the mangle process I don't ever know the duration remaining on the debuff.
I did H SV to test it out with another guild druid (both of us were cat) to see if for whatever reason xperl makes a difference (I wish xperl had an option to make a list of buffs and debuffs to enlarge rather than just enlarging debuffs or buffs you yourself apply; very annoying to see half the party's LotP buff, with two different druids, as huge and the other half as small... for whatever reason lol). On the last boss of SV, ended up having two Mangle Debuff icons on the boss, which was wierd/annoying.
It seems great, in theory, to see the debuffs as large if I've applied them. But after seeing it in action, I'm not sure if I like it as much as I thought I would. Especially since the Mangle Debuff isn't huge if someone else applies it.
Anyway, the most important thing I've learned about Xperl, is if someone else puts the mangle debuff up first, it's still the exact same problem as I've previously mentioned with omnicc in Xperl. It just doesn't work as far as durations/timers go if someone else applies the debuff first.
So far the only addon that shows a duration of mangle's debuff even if I'm not the one that applied it first is the mess that is necb9.0. And unless there's optons/configurations I'm missing with necb9.0, believe me! It's a bloody mess.
I'm considering the thought of emailing the author of omnicc and seeing if at the very least he can't fix it so that if I mangle on top of someone else's mangle debuff it'll start showing a durationg from there on out. It's just so sad that if someone else mangles before me that omnicc refuses to show a duration on the mangle debuff even if I mangle like 2secs after someone else applied the defuff to the same target.
Edit:
I just looked into the omnicc + Xperl = occiasionally double duration timers on one icon issue. It seems if I start Mangle on a target, and someone else mangles on top of mine, the timer resets, but for some reason it actually has two sets of timers counting down on the same mangle debuff icon and they are like within maybe a fourth of a second apart as they count down. When you can see a 7 and 8 on the icon and you're just glancing real fast at the number, it sure can make things harder to read.
Double timers on one mangle debuff icon wasn't an issue prior to installing Xperl, though it worked more or less the same way with the default UI portion that Xperl replaced.
Still, the thing I'm wanting worked out here is that when someone else applies the debuff first and I renew/maintain it.
Edited, May 8th 2008 8:39pm by Torzak
Torzak of Carbuncle(Moved To Asura)
Xperl is gone.
1) It blanked out one option when I'm at the mailbox. Nothing major, the button was still there, just the text on the button wasn't (I think the delete button?)... but addons shouldn't mess up other portions of the game that the addon wasn't even designed to mess with.
2) It totally removed two button options in Mik's Scrolling Battle Text options. Again, assuming you set up MSBT before installing Xperl, it's nothing major, but again, addons shouldn't mess up other portions of the game (other addons) that the addon wasn't even designed to mess with.
I had strongly considered using it as a replacement to the default Party Avatar portion of the UI, but these two above conflictions with other aspects of the game along with the doubling up of timer durations one on top of the other on the Mangle debuff when I apply it first and someone else renews it before it wears off (as mentioned in above post) are too much for me.
Removing Xperl and it's variables was enough to restore the two options in MSBT that were completely removed/invisible/unclickable along with restored the mailbox button's text, along with removed the weird doubling up of duration/timer text on mangle debuff.
Edit:
For reference I downloaded Xperl from files.wowace.com today, and not the packaged deal but rather the individual pieces since it seemed some of larger portions of the set had been updated as recently as 4 days ago.
Edited, May 9th 2008 12:11am by Torzak
1) It blanked out one option when I'm at the mailbox. Nothing major, the button was still there, just the text on the button wasn't (I think the delete button?)... but addons shouldn't mess up other portions of the game that the addon wasn't even designed to mess with.
2) It totally removed two button options in Mik's Scrolling Battle Text options. Again, assuming you set up MSBT before installing Xperl, it's nothing major, but again, addons shouldn't mess up other portions of the game (other addons) that the addon wasn't even designed to mess with.
I had strongly considered using it as a replacement to the default Party Avatar portion of the UI, but these two above conflictions with other aspects of the game along with the doubling up of timer durations one on top of the other on the Mangle debuff when I apply it first and someone else renews it before it wears off (as mentioned in above post) are too much for me.
Removing Xperl and it's variables was enough to restore the two options in MSBT that were completely removed/invisible/unclickable along with restored the mailbox button's text, along with removed the weird doubling up of duration/timer text on mangle debuff.
Edit:
For reference I downloaded Xperl from files.wowace.com today, and not the packaged deal but rather the individual pieces since it seemed some of larger portions of the set had been updated as recently as 4 days ago.
Edited, May 9th 2008 12:11am by Torzak
Torzak of Carbuncle(Moved To Asura)
Hmmm...I am still using X-Perl and NECB with no issues atm.
The addons can be funny things though. I had a problem with recap where it suddenly gave me critical errors every time I logged in and dumped me back to the desk top. I deleted it and re-installed it and still had the problem. I had to go through the saved variables and delete every file with recap in the name, then re-install it again to get it working.
The addons can be funny things though. I had a problem with recap where it suddenly gave me critical errors every time I logged in and dumped me back to the desk top. I deleted it and re-installed it and still had the problem. I had to go through the saved variables and delete every file with recap in the name, then re-install it again to get it working.
I'm huge on saved variables. Anytime I don't like an addon the first thing I'm doing is deleting not only the addon folder itself, but all saved variables that went with it.
Most times I see huge revisions of addons (like omen after 2.4) I also delete saved variables before I reinstall the new version.
And I'm curious RareBeast if you're using the 9.0 or the earlier 8.7.6 for NECB or maybe even much older than that? I don't see the point in using 8.7.6 even if it works simply because the author that provided 8.7.6 is likely going to be working from 9.0 on any future release. Which means any future blizzard updates aren't going to be favoring an older version when fixes start getting tweaked into whatever the "current" version is.
I've still not seen any response to a previous question I've asked about 9.0 so I'm left to assume no one here recommending necb or saying it works is even talking about 9.0.
anyway, I've already sent an email to the author of omnicc. I'm hopeful something can be done from that end.
Most times I see huge revisions of addons (like omen after 2.4) I also delete saved variables before I reinstall the new version.
And I'm curious RareBeast if you're using the 9.0 or the earlier 8.7.6 for NECB or maybe even much older than that? I don't see the point in using 8.7.6 even if it works simply because the author that provided 8.7.6 is likely going to be working from 9.0 on any future release. Which means any future blizzard updates aren't going to be favoring an older version when fixes start getting tweaked into whatever the "current" version is.
I've still not seen any response to a previous question I've asked about 9.0 so I'm left to assume no one here recommending necb or saying it works is even talking about 9.0.
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How do I get into the options?
anyway, I've already sent an email to the author of omnicc. I'm hopeful something can be done from that end.
Torzak of Carbuncle(Moved To Asura)
To tell you the truth, i'm not sure which version I have at the moment. I update sporadically. It certainly has been a few weeks at least since I updated.
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