@TidewalkerFollow

My guild attempted to kill tidewalker last night and healing was ok, dps seemed fine, but out main problem was that the mages kept dieing. Anyone here with experience on doing this fight that can give me suggestions to pass along, to make this fight easier?

we are still doing Morogrim atm as progression. While I feel that the raid is ready for him some deadweight and some lack of flexibility is causing a lot of headache.

I reckon you guys use the two paladin AoE tanks method?
Letting the 2 of em gain enough aggro and starting the nuke together is pretty important. Are the warlocks participating? They need to. Something like waiting for both packs of Murlocs to reach you all should be a given or your wasting mana.

Watery grave can become fatal if you take earthquake before or after. Blink out of the fall damage as much as possible or use slow fall if you can afford it. Because graving and earthquake can coincide the healers can only heal you up before you blow up and not after an earthquake since that would be dangerous unless the 2 paladins are very good at gaining healing aggro with Righteous fury on.

The fight is more or less a test of how the raid works as a whole. Discipline on dps, healing and tanking is required.

Good luck, we had a couple of good attempts on him but a slight error on a)aoe tanks b)healers healing after earthquake c)murlocs managed to avoid the aoe tank and went around biting healers can cause a wipe since the murlocs will overrun you without control.

Sorry for not giving more information. Mages keep dieing during the AoE, and we are not using a protection paladin. The one prot pally the guild has is always late and his TPS is crap. We have been using holy paladins (with RF running) to get aggro, we would frost nova (rotation between the mages), them + warlocks would aoe, but nearly every time we've lost a mage (or more).

I'm considering letting one of the holy paladins attempt to try to tank one, and I've read where frost novaing the adds actually gets more people killed than it saves, but I don't know for sure. The boss tanking is fine, dps should be fine (we killed hydross, so we meet the gear check for dps), watery graves weren't a problem, and healing for the most part seemed ok. Basically what seemed to happen, we'd lose AoE, murlocs wouldn't die fast enough and everything would to to hell from there.

I personally never had any problems using regular AoE (blastwave/dragon's breath/AE). Myself and another mage had a frost nova rotation where we would nova the murlocs coming from behind tidewalker (through the hallway) and a hunter would have a frosttrap setup for the ones coming from the graves. We would either have 1 prot paladin tanking or two holy paladins grabbing aggro.

Frost nova when they are close, nova again, warlocks are seeding everything up and all at once blow everything. I rarely, if ever died to it.

Never was SSC with my mage, but farmed it enough with my druid to give advice.

Nova kills paladins aggro.
A pala generates aggro when he gets hit. Nova'd mobs dont hit the tank all the time. So dont use nova. It destroyes his TPS.
We had a holy-prot-hybrid paladin in SSC and had never big problems at the murloc bombing.

Don't frost nova, and give your paladin more time to get threat, it's that simple.

they should have just bubbled and ran back.

Quoting Anobix cause I don't know how to do it lol,

"They should have just bubbled and ran back"

Yeah he did, but that doesn't help him the 3 other times during the fight he gets sent to the watery grave and bubble is on cd... lol

That's not really true. Until recently, one of our locks could rarely make it, so we usually ran 2 mages + 1 lock on Tidewalker. Having a prot pally really helps your AoE, though, and if you're using holy pallies instead you might need more locks.