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#1 May 05 2008 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
I am not sure I have the patience to learn how to play a mage properly. It seems (looking at all the various builds) that there could be some debate over whether to go fire or ice. I tend to be a solo player as I have never joined a guild but when I did play a mage for a little bit it seemed fire dealt more damgage than ice. Since I only played him until level 14 or so that could be just a result that is common for that low of level.

I want to be a mage for the port aspects of it. I also like the damage possiblity of a mage. Are mages desired for raids? Should you use wands at all as a mage? Many questions from a potential mage. How have you enjoyed playing a mage?
#2 May 05 2008 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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Generally speaking, fire does more damage than ice. My main, Relia, leveled into the high 60's as fire, switching to Arcane once the gear was good enough to support it. I have enjoyed the time I have spent playing her and I do not think I would do it any differently if I were to start WoW all over again.

With that said, I would not say mages are the easiest of the classes to play. Compared to my Druid alt, Ronule, I have way more buttons that I have needed to keep ready for use. I use Bartender and I could not imagine playing a mage with the standard toolbar interface.

To answer your other questions:

-The mobility of the mage can't be understated. I so miss the ability to bip from once place to another when playing my Druid.

-I have found myself in more demand in 5-mans than I have in raids. In Kara, my cc abilities were non-existent, allowing me to only serve as DPS. Mages often do good DPS, but in raids I have always been in groups where there are other classes that take the top spot. For example, in my last Gruul's run, myself and another mage were in the top 5 for damage, but a ret pali had the top spot.

-As far as wands go, it may depend a bit on the player level. Later in the game, besides when silenced, the wand should never be needed.
#3 May 05 2008 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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Mages are wonderful. You pretty much won't use your wand after lvl 20 because you will have a mind-boggling array of ways to kill things. (Mages do kinda suck until 20, but so does everyone.) It is a somewhat challenging class since you have no autoattack and must always be either moving or casting, but it's loads of fun. Portals are nice, but I'm a mage because of sheep, frost nova, blink and sick pyro/fireball/fireblast crits. If you roll one, you'll see what I mean.
#4 May 05 2008 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
I don't think anyone can tell you if you'd like a mage or not. We can all tell you why WE like a mage but that doesn't mean that you will like it.

But.... I will anyways.

I like my mage mainly because I don't want to spend the time lvling up another toon all the way to thousands of gold, epic flyer, epic gear, S3 gear, maxed jobs... or play on my other server with my other 70s. Truthfully, if I had a good gear'd rogue or druid on spinebreaker I'd probalby play those alot more.

Why did I pick a mage? Because, like you, I thought blowing stuff up would be fun. Leveling him was way more fun then my warrior or lock. If you plan gear right you can kill anything in your way all the way up to 70. There's some down time when you first start out but it gets better.

Fire or frost. I lvled as frost with my main mage, on my old server I lvled a mage as fire up to 25. Basiclly, frost kills slower but leaves a little more room for error. Fire kills faster but if you mess up your dead.

People like mages in raids for AI, food, and DPS. Never had a problem finding groups when lvling or guilds when I was raiding.

Wands are for stats only. The only time I use mine is to finish off a mob to save some mana.
#5 May 05 2008 at 4:00 PM Rating: Default
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Mages in general are amazing....For soloing it is one of the best classes if played right because of the high amount of dmg and cc....No matter what spec u choose u will be dealing alot of dmg....I like frost because u have great dmg and crits and lots of control through slowing effects and freezing....Dont be fooled thinking fire is the way to go bc it has more dmg, frost can crit 50percent of the time against frozen targets with shatter....So with frost novas and frostbite talent u will crit about every mob u fight....I cant explain how amazing that is....Fire of course has tons of talents for crits and dmg as well but frost has that and survivability which in any situation is important....I use to be against wands for a long time but when a mob is down to its last sliver of life it is incredibly helpful in saving mana and when u pull too many mobs it can save ur life by dealing dmg while u restore mana...It should never be ur main method of dmg but it can come in handy at times....And the travel for a mage is incredibly fast with portals...
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#7 May 06 2008 at 9:44 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks for all the input and I will be starting a mage as soon as the servers are back on line.
#8 May 06 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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Mages are superfun!

The class does take a bit to get used to, because you don't have much margin for error (no armor to speak of, you really can't melee at all). But the class is very, very fun if you like to either (1) deal massive damage from range (fire and, at high levels, arcane) or (2) control the entire battlefield from range (frost). You have a lot of variety of playstyle available to you -- fire and frost have a lot in common in terms of the utility spells they use, but the actual playstyle is pretty different for each of them, so you can have fun switching around playstyles.

Mages also have great perk abilities. Making your own food and water is a great perk, as is the abili8ty to port yourself and portal others. And the utility spells are amazing -- sheeping, counterspelling, spell stealing, etc.

Mages are always needed in raids for the ranged damage, the sheeping, and the water -- so you should have no worries about that. Mages are also a great soloing class, once you get used to playing them (and using all of your abilities) you can manage most situations with relative ease.
#9 May 07 2008 at 1:46 AM Rating: Default
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in my last Gruul's run, myself and another mage were in the top 5 for damage, but a ret pali had the top spot


/rofl
#10 May 07 2008 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Use wands for what stats they provide, not for what their damage output might be.

And mages are fun, most fun I had playing WoW was on my mages (yes I had 2 ^^). Friend has my acct now and even he likes my mages and he's a lock.
#11 May 07 2008 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
There still is some discussion between fire or frost although it seems all like frost for the forgiving aspects of it. One responder said that frost is better but after level 32. If that is true does is make sense to start with first then respec to frost at that level? What about 0/31/30 or 0/30/31 so that you have both? Is that possible and does it make any sense? Thanks again for all the responses. As you can tell I did roll a mage.
#12 May 07 2008 at 10:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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Baldaren wrote:
There still is some discussion between fire or frost although it seems all like frost for the forgiving aspects of it. One responder said that frost is better but after level 32. If that is true does is make sense to start with first then respec to frost at that level?


Doesn't hurt to do it that way, though I didn't really have much trouble as frost straight from 10-60(this was way back before TBC, so I even had worse trees and no evocate til after level 50).

Both frost and fire are fine for leveling. If you have the expendable gold, try em both out(respec every once in a while) until you find the one you really love.
#13 May 08 2008 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, don't be afraid to experiment with your spec. I did it tons of times just to try out different specs. It's not like making gold in WoW is hard.
#14 May 08 2008 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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This is a good thread to read. I have a druid about to hit 60, but was leveling with a friend that is a fire mage. He got sick took a week off work and played a little more than I did and he will hit 69 tonight. lol.

He is telling me to start a mage once I hit 70 and go frost as the frost/fire combo would be pretty tough. I liked the damage he was doing as fire, but he explained (he's played a while longer than myself) that with frost you can kill more mobs at once, where as fire might kill single mobs a little faster. I like mages (from UO I enjoyed my mage the most) and started one that is at lvl 7. just trying to figure out if I want to go frost as he would like or if I should go fire.

As suggested here I may try both out and see what I like. I do like the sound of solo leveling as I play at weird times and don't really care to rely on others to me.

I would like to ask why does no one like Arcane mages? I never hear any talk about arcane, it's fire or frost. Just asking so I can learn. :)

#15 May 08 2008 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would like to ask why does no one like Arcane mages? I never hear any talk about arcane, it's fire or frost. Just asking so I can learn. :)


As a happy arcane mage, I often wonder wonder why there are not more around. Besides arcane requiring better gear, as to not be mana-limited, I think that this is likely due to the dedicated nature that many WoW players play. For PVP, frost is hands down the best spec, with fire mages generally being best in raid DPS. IMO, the arcane mage is the swiss army knife of the group, being able to generate instance DPS in PVP, while still producing respectable DPS numbers in a raid.

Though I do not play PVP as much as I would like to, there is little that is more satisfying as Slow-ing a horde that ventures to close and tries to flee the appropriate beating. If the other side does not pay attention to me (in my raid gear as I have not PVPed enough to put together a PVP set), I can easily end the match highest in damage and in HKs. If they are smart enough to look for me, I can spend a lot of time in the graveyard.
#16 May 08 2008 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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wjcott wrote:
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I would like to ask why does no one like Arcane mages? I never hear any talk about arcane, it's fire or frost. Just asking so I can learn. :)


As a happy arcane mage, I often wonder wonder why there are not more around. Besides arcane requiring better gear, as to not be mana-limited, I think that this is likely due to the dedicated nature that many WoW players play.


The old conventional wisdom that still hovers around is that Arcane is too mana-intensive in comparison with Fire and Frost during leveling. However, more recently I've been hearing things that go against such.
#17 May 08 2008 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Raglu wrote:
wjcott wrote:
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I would like to ask why does no one like Arcane mages? I never hear any talk about arcane, it's fire or frost. Just asking so I can learn. :)


As a happy arcane mage, I often wonder wonder why there are not more around. Besides arcane requiring better gear, as to not be mana-limited, I think that this is likely due to the dedicated nature that many WoW players play.


The old conventional wisdom that still hovers around is that Arcane is too mana-intensive in comparison with Fire and Frost during leveling. However, more recently I've been hearing things that go against such.


Unfortunately, I do not think that this perception is entirely unwarranted. I could not, in good conscience, recommend that somebody level using primarily an Arcane build. To prevent a poor first impression, I would recommend that arcane not be delved into deeply until in the Outlands, as the equipment available then makes the build much more enjoyable.

I would also admit that MP5 is a greater consideration with arcane mages than it is with either fire or ice. However, with Arcane Meditation and a respectable MP5, my mana has always lasted as long, and often longer, than the other mana-burners in the groups I have been in. Of course, the improvements that have been made in the mana gems has definitely not hurt.
#18 May 08 2008 at 10:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Raglu wrote:
wjcott wrote:
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I would like to ask why does no one like Arcane mages? I never hear any talk about arcane, it's fire or frost. Just asking so I can learn. :)


As a happy arcane mage, I often wonder wonder why there are not more around. Besides arcane requiring better gear, as to not be mana-limited, I think that this is likely due to the dedicated nature that many WoW players play.


The old conventional wisdom that still hovers around is that Arcane is too mana-intensive in comparison with Fire and Frost during leveling. However, more recently I've been hearing things that go against such.


I've tried it at times, and have not found it effective, often leading to much downtime. But others may have varied results.
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