Overlord Theophany wrote:
Unfortunately, rogues are almost forced to spec ShS to deal with all the comps in higher rated brackets.
Not sure I understand what you mean here and I'm a bit confused.
As I said before, I haven't played muti in a long time (2 patches ago in fact!) so all I've experienced so far is ShS with mediocre stuff and in the low brackets (1500-1650). All I could do was thus ask for advice from more experienced players.
On AJ, I have received from rogues with personnal ratings around 2000-2300, which looks quite impressive to me. So I would tend to trust their advice. And their advice is: whith a Disc Priest, Muti is clearly a better choice than ShS (not only against a specific setup, but generally speaking). The reason is that, with a Disc Priest, you have a short CC window in which you must be able to take down one guy, this being best achieved with Muti (although Muti deals less sustained dam than ShS or combat). Also, they claim that the deep poison build is best because those quickly applied and unremovable poisons help a lot.
I see that you're in the 17xx bracket now and I don't know what quotes you've achieved in the past. In any case, I'm not looking down on you in this regard... cause I have never achieved such ratings myself. Just wondering on what ground you say that ShS is better in higher brackets. Also, have you played the deep poison build they recommend lately, with decent gear (I have not)?
Overlord Theophany wrote:
The only comp I can think of where mut is substantially better is rogue/mage 2s. 9% more damage on shatters is HUGE.
For anything else, though, it's usually better to be ShS.
For anything else, though, it's usually better to be ShS.
As I said before, I usually failed as a ShS rogue because I was missing a few percents to take down 1 guy before the other one got out of CC. Mut might have done the job there. I say "might", because that's assuming I can stick on my target, which will be significantly harder with only 1 set of cooldowns and no ShS.
Overlord Theophany wrote:
it's a hell of a lot harder to stay on a druid, which is really what needs to be done if your priest can't pillar hump.
Yes, but Tyrandor was not using a deep poison builds. Many rogues have confirmed that the 49/00/12 build is much better than 41/20/00. The reason, again, is that you don't need better sustained damage as Muti rogue, you need good burst damage. And the deep poison build also helps keeping the target poisoned (which should prevent the ennemy from fleeing to some extent). Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Muti is an easy mode, I guess it's harder than with ShS, but, once mastered, probably also more effective with a partner such as a Disc Priest than ShS.
I hear so many different opinions that it is hard to make a decision. I'm close to getting the 105 badges I need for my second dagger. I guess I'll try to copy my rogue on the PTR and try mutilate. If it works, I'll purchase the dagger MH. If not, I'll get the fist MH (the shiv being a good OH weapon for both Muti and ShS).
nostra
Edited, May 14th 2008 3:01pm by nostraaa