Change to BG shard return mechanics?Follow

it's been like that for awhile. running away from pets only works outside BGs now. you can still get shards back from drain soul obviously.

the change was made shortly after the change that meant when we spawn at a GY, we spawn with a pet. this is because "we could farm shards to easily" (paraphrasing) by spawning, running, getting shard, hellfiring to death.

Edited, May 4th 2008 4:30pm by Jenovaomega

Seriously? No, really.. are they freaking serious? Is that the reason?

I get all my shards by using Drain Soul (Rank 1) on near-death enemies. Seems to work pretty well and all. Why would I dump my pet and commit suicide when I can gather 10+ shards in the time it takes me to run away from my pet and then kill myself?

This is just a pain in the *** now. Warlocks, and especially Demonology Warlocks, depend on soul shards just as much as Hunters depend on arrows or bullets. Here's a thought: When a Hunter's pet moves out of range and despawns, the Hunter loses one stack of ammo.

But, why not?

Are you seriously that upset about it? I mean it's one shard and you are in a BG with constant killing. I get more pissesd about losing the pet/resummon than the loss of a shard especially since you pointed out that you can get 10+ shards in the time it takes to run away from your pet and kill yourself.

Also be happy our shards are relatively free when compared to hunter's. The only thing that is annoying is that we use shards up much faster than they use up a stack of ammo and it can be a pain running out of shards during boss wipes. WTB Larger soul bags please (or stacking).

Edited, May 6th 2008 9:12pm by Tugnus

what i think is awesome is that an already very OP class wants to make themselves even more OP. i personally have a warlock and i laugh when i hear warlocks ***** about nerfs here and there.

The Hunter pet vs. Warlock minion recall thing has been discussed to death. It's a slap in the face that we have to spend time, mana and reagents to regain our minion if it runs out of range when the Hunter doesn't. Now also removing shard returns is adding insult to injury, because unless I have a spare shard, I can't even use my 15-minute CD to insta-summon a new one.

As a SL/SL Warlock, I'm pretty screwed if I lose my minion. Buh-bye 20% damage mitigation, +200 spell damage, +5% overall damage, +70 resistance, stealth detection and a decent chunk of pet damage.

It's so bad that if I lose my minion while in battle, I start spamming DoTs left and right in preperation for a quick death. I can't just hit a button and have the minion by my side again with all the buffs that follow. A reason still unknown to many, because the feature would be easy to implement.

Also, getting 10+ shards in the time it takes to run out of range of your pet and kill yourself somehow is while you're not actively engaged in battle and is tagging along, spamming Drain Soul on anyone at 10% health or less.



What spec is your Warlock? Destruction or Affliction by chance? They don't need their minions. They're like Survival or Marksmanship Hunters. The pet is simply extra DPS. To a Demonology Warlock, it's what makes and breaks us. It literally defines us. The fact that you can turn me from OP to gimped by simply killing my minion, or rooting it and fearing me, means something is wrong. A Demonology Warlock with an immortal minion might be OP, but anyone with just a wee bit of skill tucked under the belt will know to focus fire on the minion if they see the Soul Link buff icon.

Edited, May 7th 2008 10:41pm by Mazra

Im pretty sure if the LifeTap change went through you wouldve joined the other warlocks and "************* about the nerf. A hunter can call a live pet back to its side with no mana/channel but the only thing we have close to that is on a 15min cooldown and the pet still costs 200-500 mana

And this is why we are considered overpowered. The Felguard doesn't have a lot of armor and health. A Rogue with Cloak of Godmode and Evasion on could probably kill it while staying immune to the Warlock's spells and receiving a minimum of the Felguard's blows.

Vanish and wait one minute while using Sap to prevent the Warlock from resummoning a minion. After one minute has passed, stunlock the Warlock, well-knowing that if one of your stuns miss/fail, you have Cloak of Anticaster to win the fight.

A Warlock with 10k health will have 12k health while the Felguard is alive. He will also have roughly +300 spell damage, +5% spell crit and +10% overall damage (+5% from Soul Link and +5% from Felguard Master Demonologist).

Not killing the minion first is just asking for trouble.

Edited, May 8th 2008 1:18am by Mazra

Screenshot please, or it never happened.

Edited, May 8th 2008 7:56am by kbd

I'm only level 41 and I burn through a 20-slot shard bag like it's candy. Very tasty candy. Guaranteed, it's not quite as hard for me to fill it back up again, but I imagine that will change as I level.