Shadow Priest vs. Hunter?Follow

The other night I decided to finish the pvp quest to take the towers in Hellfire Penninsula. Now, I've never bothered doing any pvp with my shadow priest, so I'm not really used to any nuances the class might have towards other classes.
Anyhow, I came across a hunter defending the tower. I moved closer to get in reach of him with my spells. As I did, he sent his cat after me. I feared the cat and SW:P on the hunter. Then I MB and MF. He's down to about 1/3 health already. The cat comes back, but I have my sheild on and ignore the pet. Hunter jumps off the wall we were on and I jumped after him at which point I hit SW:D and kill him.

Do Shadow Priests normally 'own' hunters? Or was I lucky? Or was the hunter a poor pvper?

Wow. You make hunters seem overpowered.

And we all know that's not true.

I could probably pull out any class and make them appear overpowered. It's all about choosing the right opponent and focusing on the good stuff.

For instance, my Feral Druid chews Hunters for breakfast. In Dire Bear form, the Hunter's pet just can't claw through my armor. And my Druid regenerates 500+ health every six seconds, thanks to Improved Leader of the Pack, while in Dire Bear or Cat form. Coupled with Feral Charge which means I'm rarely ever at range, the Hunter is forced to melee a player who can solo Stratholme in that gear.

Well, sort of. I have yet to kill the Baron.

If a BM Hunter lost to a Priest, the Priest was overgeared or the Hunter just a complete moron at mashing buttons. If you, as a Feral Druid, lose to a BM Hunter, he's either overgeared or you're a complete moron at knowing when to stun and use Feral Charge.

Or your talent build is all messed up.

Woah, I'm starting to sound like Gaudion. Scary.

Edited, May 9th 2008 12:14am by Mazra

Mazra, you must have fought some lousy hunters. (Granted, they're all over the place.) A good BM hunter can be a challenge for a feral druid. You feral charge him. He drops snake trap and goes big red. Now you're slowed and you cant slow him. Feral charge him all you want; he can kite you at will for 18 secs and if you shift to abolish those poisons his shots will hurt. Not a guaranteed win, not a guaranteed loss. Depends on skill of players. (Yes, I know, save the bash & maim combo for after TBW. Done, but it can be tough to survive that long.) I will say this: A dwarf BM hunter is almost impossible because one of our main forms of DPS is bleeds, which he can stoneskin out of. Basically, if a feral can't bleed it or stun it, damage goes way down.

Never played a priest, but how does a priest beat a BM hunter?

fixed.

Um... What?

I figure its just a matter of who gets the jump on who.. if a good bm hunter hops on you with his pet and blowing all cooldowns.. then ya odds are you will die fast.

But if you manage to get Vamp touch, shadow word pain, and half a cast of mind blast off before he even notices your there.. then odds are you will kill him easily.

For a shadow priest thats what its all about. getting the time to cast your bombs.

When you cast vt, then swp right after.. then followed by a mind blast.. what will happen is that the vt, and swp will tick right when your mind blast hits.. or around the area of it.. its very close, then follow up with a shadow word death and most often times the dude is either dead or very close.

If he is not dead than he will begin to pummel ya and die shortly after.

so for a priest getting the initial two and a half casts off is key. because your shield wont hold crap off you if he sees you at the same time.

but one thing i have learned is that there is no absolute victor in any fight.

There are many factors that determine a fight as others in this thread have stated. even luck can come into play.

On average though a priest will loose to a equally geared and skilled bm hunter just because he has almost no mitigation for the damage and spell knockback that he is recieving from the attacks of the hunter and his pet. other than shield of course and that is about half of a second to a decently geared bm hunter.


Edited, May 23rd 2008 3:26am by Slammerofkooter

with about 1k shadow damage or more a shadow priest should have no problem killing most classes in one cycle

Any shadow priest can easily get 700 a tick on both dots. add those together and that would be a nice 1400

then you add the 2-2.5k average from mind blast lets go with the low end of 2k that would be about 3400

then a non crit swd at 2k would be around 5400 alone. throw in a solid mind flay channel to complete the cycle and your lookin at anywhere from 6.5-7k damage.

Thats all on the low end. imagine a 1400 shadow damage priest. witch is what i come close to being if i fire my trinket.

yes its entirely possible and you are absolutely wrong about hunter owning shadow priests like i said its all a matter of who gets the jump on who.. you give me 4 seconds with any hunter not noticing me.. and i will show you a corpse in about 6 seconds.

and yes if you look at both my characters one is a shadow priest and the other is (GASP!!) A BM HUNTER.




Edited, Jun 6th 2008 4:16am by Slammerofkooter

not sure if anyone else ever tried but when the pet goes red you can dispell that then fear it .. the Priest was my first toon when i played this game spec'd shadow and stayed that way ..i push 1200 shadow damage unbuffed before i hit a trinket ...i dont have too many problems with any other classes in PvP ..just when i go against a full S3 geared MS warrior one on one then its all over for me but thats the game i guess lol

Edited, Jun 8th 2008 5:55pm by Blasphimy

I'm with Mazra on this. Gear/skill being equal a bm hunter should eat a priest for lunch. That being said the nickname huntards has some merit to it. I'll beat dumb/under geared hunters most of the time. The ones who don't use snake trap, don't viper sting, that let me get close enough to fear them, and don't use beast within in a timely fashion. I've run into enough bad hunters that I'm not as afraid of them as I should be. But my personal experiences tend to follow Mazra's quote. A smart hunter should beat a shadow priest most things being equal.