WTH...
Ok, I already accepted that Hunters are played by players who like to do things the easy way. But since the last couple patches I just can't seem to win from hunters..
I mean they have
- A freaking rangedMortal Strike
- A harmstring that's even better then the one from warriors (60% vs 50%)
- Mana drain
- Traps
- They can now shoot from almost every angle
- They have a God-mode that lasts for 30 seconds...
Seriously, when I see a red hunter pet coming to me I almost wet my pants... Its ridiculous that almost every buff players have is dispelleable (in various ways) (Ice block, Pallie's bubble, Sheep, Sap) but those goddamn kids have a godmode that lasts for like 30 freaking seconds... 30 seconds where i have to pop 'Icy veins' to at least be able to actually cast some spells. If I hold position for like 6 seconds I'm dead, no matter of the 290 resil I finally gathered.
If Im in a BG now I always go straight for every hunter, I'm entirely focussed on critting his ears off and you won't hear me saying any word on vent or whatever until I managed to destroy him time after time after time after time... (which barely happends ;))
Ok... To make this post a bit less QQ, I would like to know what strategy u guys use against a BM hunter? I mean for the sake of all the peace-loving hunters in bg's... help me
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They have a God-mode that lasts for 30 seconds...
you mean 18 seconds right?
17/0/44, good PVP gear, fight on the move, fight close, force the hunter to melee by constantly fighting them in their melee range. There is nothing more frustrating to a hunter.
Further BM isn't much of a PVP spec. You're whining about The Beast Within, a 41 point talent in BM. Worry more about Marks hunters, thats their PVP/arena spec. BM is for raiding and lolbg's. TBW only lasts 18 seconds, not 30, you can ice block more then half of it then run around spamming instants for a little bit. It really isn't that hard of a fight, just be super aggressive, everything instant cast, stay right on them and don't let them shoot you.
Further BM isn't much of a PVP spec. You're whining about The Beast Within, a 41 point talent in BM. Worry more about Marks hunters, thats their PVP/arena spec. BM is for raiding and lolbg's. TBW only lasts 18 seconds, not 30, you can ice block more then half of it then run around spamming instants for a little bit. It really isn't that hard of a fight, just be super aggressive, everything instant cast, stay right on them and don't let them shoot you.
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Seriously, when I see a red hunter pet coming to me I almost wet my pants...
I seriously had the same problem lol...
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17/0/44, good PVP gear, fight on the move, fight close, force the hunter to melee by constantly fighting them in their melee range. There is nothing more frustrating to a hunter.
This is very true, IMO only a full frost with ele mage can beat MM hunters and so on... atm i am arcance/frost and can own them, but thats very rare in only some cases. You can never cast a FB against a hunter, you have to FN then ice lance most the time + with ele's FN you can add in another big Ice lance crit, you have to use PvP trinket at the right time and dont FORGET to use IB when they activate Bestial Wrath (unless they are MM). I also see deep fire mages melting hunters, they just charge like crazy at them, then spam instant casts....and they usually win?
I remember one time when i melted a s2/s3 MM hunter, i dont know how this happened but i was able to CS his aimed shot lol!?!? and staying in melee range is the main key agaisnt one..
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Further BM isn't much of a PVP spec
WTF? ofc is is! they take much less snares and roots+ damage due to them being immune to freeze and fear while beast within is active.
HUnters are FAR easier to win as mage if the aren't BM. JUst pop elem, hug him all the time, and freeze+ icelance a lot :P -> dead hunter, just survive through silence and he's phucked up....
Hunters are really pretty strong, although their use in arena is overrrated. Last time I checked aimed shout was magic, and as such can be disspelled by many healers, unlike MS.(maybe even lockpet?)
Hunters ARE doable, you need to stay close to them so they can't get much damage out at you, and just survive through BW, after that they're cake, since taht is the whole point of their specc.
1. stay close and don't waste CDs while he'S red, use IB if he is still doing too much DPS, and use ele, so you can do prtty decent DPS with AE and fireblast + ele, he shouldn't be able to damge you much.
2. BW is over, use nova and elenove +icelance to finish the rest of his hp.
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WTF? ofc is is! they take much less snares and roots+ damage due to them being immune to freeze and fear while beast within is active.
HUnters are FAR easier to win as mage if the aren't BM. JUst pop elem, hug him all the time, and freeze+ icelance a lot :P -> dead hunter, just survive through silence and he's phucked up....
HUnters are FAR easier to win as mage if the aren't BM. JUst pop elem, hug him all the time, and freeze+ icelance a lot :P -> dead hunter, just survive through silence and he's phucked up....
I'll take a BM hunter over a MM hunter anyday. A MM hunter is strong though the whole fight, a BM hunter is very strong.... for 18 seconds. Then they can't do crap.
1.Start at range and insta-cast till they pop BW.
2. Blink/run away from hunter and pet.
3. When pet catches up hit IB
4. Yawn
5. Come out of IB to a guy that now knows you can 2 shot his pet if your bored.
6. ????
7. Profit.
MM is different. That's when you want to stay on top of him and insta-cast. Also don't forget about Barrier-IV-shatter combo. It's deadly right after they blow all their CDs on you.
The easiest way to beat a BM hunter is to Ice Block when you see him hit Bestial Wrath. It'll last almost the entire duration, at which point you can obliterate him... and that's why BM isn't really a PvP spec, although it's good for leveling.
You're going to have trouble against Hunters unless you're deep Frost, but that's just the breaks. Rogues have trouble against nearly any variety of Warrior, melee can't beat Paladins, whatever.
You're going to have trouble against Hunters unless you're deep Frost, but that's just the breaks. Rogues have trouble against nearly any variety of Warrior, melee can't beat Paladins, whatever.
Thinking that Bestial Wrath / Beast within is the only thing to be concerned about is what gets you clothies into trouble. The typical 41/20/0 BM build includes all the truly essential damage talents of the MM tree.
Beastial Wrath might be on a CD, but so is your blink and Ice Barrier or Frost Nova, or... Ever blinked into a trap? What about spell interruption after your Ice Barrier is gone? What are you gonna cast while we're on the move?
I don't remember the last time I lost against a caster since patch 2.3 unless I was at less than full health.
Hunters are seriously overpowered now, which is one of the main reasons why I got bored with mine and retired him more or less. He doesn't see much action anymore other than a little mining here and there.
You can beat hunTARDS who rely on their easy button, but you will lose against both MM and BM if they are played by people who know just a little about their class and the weaknesses of their opponents.
Beastial Wrath might be on a CD, but so is your blink and Ice Barrier or Frost Nova, or... Ever blinked into a trap? What about spell interruption after your Ice Barrier is gone? What are you gonna cast while we're on the move?
I don't remember the last time I lost against a caster since patch 2.3 unless I was at less than full health.
Hunters are seriously overpowered now, which is one of the main reasons why I got bored with mine and retired him more or less. He doesn't see much action anymore other than a little mining here and there.
You can beat hunTARDS who rely on their easy button, but you will lose against both MM and BM if they are played by people who know just a little about their class and the weaknesses of their opponents.
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- A freaking ranged Mortal Strike
Frankly, you shouldn't even be getting hit by a shot that takes
- 3 seconds
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- They can now shoot from almost every angle
- They have a God-mode that lasts for 30 seconds...
- They have a God-mode that lasts for 30 seconds...
I mean, if you're in arenas, you should just be pillar humping and waiting out TBW. But yeah, if you can, just Iceblock through it as others have said.
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Hunters are seriously overpowered now
Well, sure, but we're nothing compared to Resto Druids :p
I am a hunter who has try all 3 speccs.BM,SV,MM.
Some facts.
BM is still the most popular specc for hunters even in arena.MM is shine after 2000 rating.
An average hunter can kill easily an average mage.You need to be a skilled mage to win a hunter.
BM hunters do a lot of damage.if the use TBW (consider also the 3 sec stun) they can take to 30% of your health very easily.Especially if they start the fight.DONT forget that when you are in their melee range they will still do some dmg.So you must be skilled mage to win.Some tips though of what they will use:
1=scatter shot(4 sec disorient)..nothing you can do just wait to hit you so you can go back to fight.
2=silencing shot(silence you for 3 sec)..nothing you can do just try to jump in their back so they cant hit you.
3.=snake traps(poison that reduce you spell speed for 50%).when you see a snake trap try at once to aoe..snakes die easy.
4.TBW use ice block at once .dont wait.Most hunters use TBW with the 3 sec stun so they will do you lot of dmg..many times in BGs i have killed mages in 4-5 sec. as BM(so resil.. is a must)
5.use the pillar in arena to hide
6.use instant spells all the time.
7.intant puro mages can do the same or more burst dmg as BM hunters..but instant puro mages are useless in pvp.your problem isnt only how can you win hunters.
Hunters arent OP in no way.dont forget they are the less represented class in arena with shamies and mages.
Yes hunters are very easy to play..yes any hunter player can reach the average pvp standard.But in pro pvp hunters are the most difficult class to play.
In conclusion a skilled mage can deal with hunters..locks and rogues are more difficult for mages than hunters.
p.s=i believed that blizz should give to mages some more survivability.mages arent only for cc.
Some facts.
BM is still the most popular specc for hunters even in arena.MM is shine after 2000 rating.
An average hunter can kill easily an average mage.You need to be a skilled mage to win a hunter.
BM hunters do a lot of damage.if the use TBW (consider also the 3 sec stun) they can take to 30% of your health very easily.Especially if they start the fight.DONT forget that when you are in their melee range they will still do some dmg.So you must be skilled mage to win.Some tips though of what they will use:
1=scatter shot(4 sec disorient)..nothing you can do just wait to hit you so you can go back to fight.
2=silencing shot(silence you for 3 sec)..nothing you can do just try to jump in their back so they cant hit you.
3.=snake traps(poison that reduce you spell speed for 50%).when you see a snake trap try at once to aoe..snakes die easy.
4.TBW use ice block at once .dont wait.Most hunters use TBW with the 3 sec stun so they will do you lot of dmg..many times in BGs i have killed mages in 4-5 sec. as BM(so resil.. is a must)
5.use the pillar in arena to hide
6.use instant spells all the time.
7.intant puro mages can do the same or more burst dmg as BM hunters..but instant puro mages are useless in pvp.your problem isnt only how can you win hunters.
Hunters arent OP in no way.dont forget they are the less represented class in arena with shamies and mages.
Yes hunters are very easy to play..yes any hunter player can reach the average pvp standard.But in pro pvp hunters are the most difficult class to play.
In conclusion a skilled mage can deal with hunters..locks and rogues are more difficult for mages than hunters.
p.s=i believed that blizz should give to mages some more survivability.mages arent only for cc.
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An average hunter can kill easily an average mage.You need to be a skilled mage to win a hunter.
Yep, and i just hate it when an 'average' hunter beats you in a duel and says "L2p nub" and so on... i used to always lose against hunters with MUCH crapper gear than me, and they always said this.....it pisses me off :S
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Yes hunters are very easy to play..yes any hunter player can reach the average pvp standard
Finally, a hunter that agrees with this
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many times in BGs i have killed mages in 4-5 sec. as BM(so resil.. is a must)
A bit exaggerated .... >.>"
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In conclusion a skilled mage can deal with hunters..locks and rogues are more difficult for mages than hunters.
Very true.. locks and rouges are the only classes i have problems with atm..
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i believed that blizz should give to mages some more survivability.mages arent only for cc.
Yes, i agree i think blizz should give survivability in the fire and arcane tree... i know frost is the way to go for this, but its KINDA imbalanced IMO compared to other classes survivability (except priests and druids) :P
Edited, May 7th 2008 10:38am by Seguris
What are you speaking of? BGs? Arena? Hunter is the least played class, pretty much of any arena bracket or rating, of any class. You have a much better chance of being a successful mage in a high arena team than you would as a hunter.
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