BM vs MMFollow

forgive a warrior trolling in the hunter forums, but...

i've been the recruitment officer in my guild for over a month now... we have class leaders to handle all the different classes, but the hunter class leader has been dealing with IRL issues and has not been online for quite some time. as such, i had to field a question from one of the hunters we are gearing up for ssc/tk, and he asked me if MM or BM was better. though i don't usually troll over here, i've seen a few threads and replies saying that BM is clearly > MM for pure dps, but i didn't know why. after looking quickly at the talent trees, i saw that mana efficiency from BW and a groupwide buff from ferocious inspiration were probably the main factors that distinguish BM above MM. i would just like to know if i hit the nail on the head, and if i'm missing something else.

Five talent points gets you the equivalent 315 haste rating, except it stacks multiplicatively with other haste rating. That basically sums it up.

rpent's Swiftness = 20% haste, thats equal to 314 haste rating for 5 talent points, thats quite massive.
Combined with the fact that that allows for a much more mana effecient shotrotation that also gives higher dps as well as better burst damage from tBW and you've got a nice dps monster :)

i've referred people to this site, EJ, petopia, Oforums, etc. to get them to look at their specs and rotations so we can maximize our performance, but you can only lead a horse to water, you can't make it drink (or something like that). what i do get a lot of is "but i'm already #7/6/5 in dps and i'm specced marks, why should i change it". i've thrown the theorycraft at them but i need some concrete numbers. if anyone has dps spreadsheets of MM vs. BM i'd be much obliged.

tyvm sir, i'll throw that at my hunters the next time i hear "but i pwn with survival/MM"

SV outdps's BM too if you count the damage EW brings to a raid.
Its almost as much as bringing a 26th member on your raids.

Counting 1200 agility raidbuffed (well doable with T6) thats 300 AP for the rogues, enh. shamans, dps warriors, hunters, hunter pets and tanks.

That adds up to a LOT of dps plus the added bonus of tanks having more tps thus allowing everyone to do just that bit of extra dps.

You'll lose ~200-250 personal dps yeah, but in return you give the raid 235 Ap.
235 Ap translates into roughly 70 dps for each rogue, 60 dps for each other pgysical dps and 25 dps for each tank and pet.

With 5 melee dps, 3 hunters and 3 tanks that is 630 raidwide dps.
A.k.a. a gain of 380-430 raidwide dps.

edit: the 26th member thing is from cheeky i think so credit him instead :P

Edited, May 5th 2008 12:58am by Aethien

nah, thats MM.



edit: oh and midnight, go get the Necklace of the Deep with 2x +8(/+10) agi gems.
Its arguably the best item in slot for SV.

Edited, May 5th 2008 1:07am by Aethien

Um, why doesn't your GM want you to stay SV? I mean, you said he asked for one of the three raiding Hunters to go SV, and the MM Hunter refused. So if you enjoy it why should you be the one to pay for regemming/reenchanting* and respecs to SV and back?

I'm willing to bet that you'll do a much better job in the SV role anyway, given that your MM Hunter clearly has some issues understanding the game mechanics.



* Yes, +AGI gems/enchants are better for you in SSC anyways, but if you look like I do you've got some holdout +16 AP gems :) But if I speced SV they'd be replaced in a heartbeat. I mostly still have them because I've been hoping to replace those slots anyway. Wrist and belt of Ebon Netherscale have been hard holdout items, and give zero AGI without gems. I'm in the top three for Hunters in my Guild, but I'm probably more like 6th-10th in total AGI.

Oh, ok. I just misunderstood the part where you said

:-P

That is NOT good.


Seriously, thats awful.
Try talking to those people and ask them about shotrotations and such.