I am prot speced.
I recently looted some good epic retribution weapons, and was thinking of using those vs caster mobs, who have little armor.
But then I lose the 5% damage boost to 1-hander from talents, the spell damage from the weapon, and cannot throw shields any more!
So my questions to tankadins here are:
Do you sometimes use 2-handers ?
Do you sometimes use a complete retribution oriented set over a mageladin set?
What would be your strategie if, for example you had to maximaze your DPS on Shade of Aran?
Ps: no answers like "respec or reroll rogue" please, it's from a palatank point of view :)
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not saying this is correct, but when i was brought to kara as OT, something where if you arent tanking you are totally useless, i would DPS with Seal of Vengeance with spell dmg gear (actually was my healing gear, spell dmg was in the bank).
So on prince i was the only melee (lmao) going to town with JotC, which helped the pally MT, exorcism, wings, and SoV/JoV. once those get stacked up the DPS is pretty decent for a prot pally i think.
your abilities are spell based with that spec, so i wouldnt switch to a ret set. go hard spelldmg and do your best with a 2h.
Edited, May 2nd 2008 8:15am by KTurner
So on prince i was the only melee (lmao) going to town with JotC, which helped the pally MT, exorcism, wings, and SoV/JoV. once those get stacked up the DPS is pretty decent for a prot pally i think.
your abilities are spell based with that spec, so i wouldnt switch to a ret set. go hard spelldmg and do your best with a 2h.
Edited, May 2nd 2008 8:15am by KTurner
i always advise our OT pally to put on as much spell damage and just roll with SoR (horde). the amount of damage per swing of SoR is actually quite high. you dont get much out of AP/Crit based tactics so go with what you already geared for.
just accept that prot pallies are the worst tanks to have to cross to DPS when needed. while druids have the easiest time as their prot spec and DPS specs are nearly the same. . . nearly.
just accept that prot pallies are the worst tanks to have to cross to DPS when needed. while druids have the easiest time as their prot spec and DPS specs are nearly the same. . . nearly.
If you are using spell damage, then 1H >>>>> 2H. This has been proven many times over. You will put out more damage, and you get your shield. 2H is only useful for SoCommand.
ha ha ha - that is awesome. That is what my Healadin tries to be when he solos :) Of course, I fail miserably if I ever group up with a real DPS...but when I'm the only one on my damage meter - I'm leet!!!
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ha ha ha - that is awesome. That is what my Healadin tries to be when he solos :) Of course, I fail miserably if I ever group up with a real DPS...but when I'm the only one on my damage meter - I'm leet!!!
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Leveling an alt prot pally this is all good info, saved me the noob post of "What should I do".
Right now, I'm lvl 24 with a sword and board.. I'm doing what I was advised against, Leveling as Prot.
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I'm doing what I was advised against, Leveling as Prot.
Unless you are on a race to lvl 70, there is nothing wrong with leveling Prot. Anyone who states otherwise is just trying to get you to race to 70. Level however you want, and just have fun.
Fun is overrated. . .
I leveled 1-70 (well, techinically 11-70) as prot and had a good time and it wasn't *that* slow.
I was also able to tank any instance I wanted to run on the way up and only had to find a healer to really get a group started.
Also, you should be using stam/int gear while leveling. If you do this you will be able to heal Azeroth instances in a pinch.
I was also able to tank any instance I wanted to run on the way up and only had to find a healer to really get a group started.
Also, you should be using stam/int gear while leveling. If you do this you will be able to heal Azeroth instances in a pinch.
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not saying this is correct, but when i was brought to kara as OT, something where if you arent tanking you are totally useless, i would DPS with Seal of Vengeance with spell dmg gear (actually was my healing gear, spell dmg was in the bank).
When i'm not tanking in kara I usually heal, the dps you do as prot is so awful that you're more useful as a healer, we usually run kara with two healers these days so me healing brings it up to the 1 tank, 3 healers, 6 dps that we used to have using fury warriors and feral druids as offtank.
ive tried that. i dont do much of anything since the other healers have it under control np. most of the time i ran with T5 healers...
i truly just stood around and tossed JoW up on everything that moved. that was my contribution. heh.
i truly just stood around and tossed JoW up on everything that moved. that was my contribution. heh.
The only way to be useful as dps if you are OT is to spec for Imp Seal of the Crusader(provided you have no ret pally) and throw on as much spell dam as possible. The +3% crit for everyone is really pretty nice and most folks won't mind your barely 300dps, just be ready to heal if needed.
Yea, that's not a bad idea if you are a raid OT, to spec for Imp JotC. You can get by with it as a raid MT as well, but since changing my spec to include Precision, I find that to be a huge help and won't be Prot without it (OMG I can keep SoV stacked to full!!!).
If you're more worried about your DPS soloing and not looking at raids, you might benefit from Imp SotC, but if you're like me the Judgement you'll have on the target most often is Wisdom, not Crusader. Playstyle choice there.
Regardless of raid/solo play, your best bet is to slap on as much spell damage you can and continue using your 1H and shield, even against casters. I carried my Gorwhowl around in my bags for casters for a while, and I can't say that it made casters die much faster. When I mix'n'match my tank set with my healy set though I can boost my spell damage up 250ish points and that helps more then a big heavy 2H does. Just stack the spell damage then Judge Wisdom or Crusader and fire up Vengeance (if Alliance) or Righteousness (if bleh-Horde).
If you're more worried about your DPS soloing and not looking at raids, you might benefit from Imp SotC, but if you're like me the Judgement you'll have on the target most often is Wisdom, not Crusader. Playstyle choice there.
Regardless of raid/solo play, your best bet is to slap on as much spell damage you can and continue using your 1H and shield, even against casters. I carried my Gorwhowl around in my bags for casters for a while, and I can't say that it made casters die much faster. When I mix'n'match my tank set with my healy set though I can boost my spell damage up 250ish points and that helps more then a big heavy 2H does. Just stack the spell damage then Judge Wisdom or Crusader and fire up Vengeance (if Alliance) or Righteousness (if bleh-Horde).
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Casters are the bane of pallies.
As a devout member of the Church of Reckoning, I always look to make that talent proc. This also is tough with casters because they don't actually hit you with physical attacks. Elementals are a pain for the same reason.
My tactic for casters is to kite some random mob from the nearby area up to the caster. Make sure it is one that uses a physical attack so Reckoning can still proc. Bring two for twice the fun. And since casters are usually squishie, they go down even faster from the holy beatdown.
You should be doing the standard Consecrate at the same time so the extra mobs should be just about done when you finish the caster.
If you're in a group, explain this ahead of time and tell the team to leave your 'rage monkey' alone.
As a devout member of the Church of Reckoning, I always look to make that talent proc. This also is tough with casters because they don't actually hit you with physical attacks. Elementals are a pain for the same reason.
My tactic for casters is to kite some random mob from the nearby area up to the caster. Make sure it is one that uses a physical attack so Reckoning can still proc. Bring two for twice the fun. And since casters are usually squishie, they go down even faster from the holy beatdown.
You should be doing the standard Consecrate at the same time so the extra mobs should be just about done when you finish the caster.
If you're in a group, explain this ahead of time and tell the team to leave your 'rage monkey' alone.
The obvious answer is "get hit"!
Being at the far end of raiding in Sunwell and looking back in retrospect I think the best advice I could give any Prot pally is that they should focus on their tank set but at the same time keep an eye out for either a Ret or Holy set. Numerous encounters from Kara to Sunwell will see a prot pally trivialize content, at the same time there are just as many fights where having a Prot pally along for the fight is a wasted raid slot. If you have a Ret/Holy set to fall back on for such encounters you make yourself useful for the guild.
Our main Prot Pally who we use on Felmyst is specced Ret for Brutallus. That kind of flexibility is ftw.
The only qualifier for that though, as previously mentioned, is that you can't try to be both at once, you truly need to have a focus and just pick the rest up off spec. People who try to split their effort and build two sets at once especially early on will always gimp themselves.
Edited, Jun 5th 2008 12:41pm by bodhisattva
Being at the far end of raiding in Sunwell and looking back in retrospect I think the best advice I could give any Prot pally is that they should focus on their tank set but at the same time keep an eye out for either a Ret or Holy set. Numerous encounters from Kara to Sunwell will see a prot pally trivialize content, at the same time there are just as many fights where having a Prot pally along for the fight is a wasted raid slot. If you have a Ret/Holy set to fall back on for such encounters you make yourself useful for the guild.
Our main Prot Pally who we use on Felmyst is specced Ret for Brutallus. That kind of flexibility is ftw.
The only qualifier for that though, as previously mentioned, is that you can't try to be both at once, you truly need to have a focus and just pick the rest up off spec. People who try to split their effort and build two sets at once especially early on will always gimp themselves.
Edited, Jun 5th 2008 12:41pm by bodhisattva
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