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#1 May 01 2008 at 9:08 PM Rating: Default
I was in kara today with the following stats:

1040 Spell damage
77 Spell Hit
30,02% Spell Crit
18 Spell Haste
10340 Mana (Unbuffed)

Detail: I have a Lightning Capacitator, a trinket that throws a 800 damage lightning bolt every third crit.


Here is my spec:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=obxVc0fzxIzrZxgGzb0co




I don't have any mana problems, i use mana pots + my gems. But on bosses, my DPS isn't breaking 550ish. What the hell? What's wrong with me? My spell rotation is Fireball > Fireball > Fire Blast, pretty straight forward. Why is my DPS that horrible? I hear mages that have similar gear doing over twice my DPS in raids, i just don't understand, how can i improve this? What am i doing wrong? What could i be doing wrong? Help! ><
#2 May 01 2008 at 9:22 PM Rating: Good
check out the builds in the greatest mage post ever above.

you shouldn't be using fireblast unless you are moving.

without elemental precision you are 1/3 of being hit capped.

Edited, May 2nd 2008 1:24am by Anobix
#3 May 01 2008 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm going to venture a guess that you're waiting until your cast bar runs out before hitting the next spell?

The biggest thing I've seen that boosts people's damage is to get Quartz and start mashing the button about .3 seconds before the spell hits the "red" that shows when the spell will really go off. People who don't do this selective buttonmashing, in order to trigger Blizzard's spell queue, basically add double their latency into the casting time - so if you run 100 ping, your Fireballs now have a cast time of 3.2 seconds instead of 3.0 seconds, a huge difference.

You probably also want to drop Fire Blast out, it doesn't work the the spell queue system very well and should only be used during movement. Despite Blizzard's queue, it still puts your latency into the "cast time" twice.

Respeccing to cookie-cutting 0/47/11+3 would boost your damage, your gear is good enough that the multiplier deep in the Fire tree will definitely help out. You're also a large chunk short of the hit cap, especially since you don't have Elemental Precision, so 11% of your spells are being resisted outright instead of the 1% it should ideally be at.

Edited, May 2nd 2008 12:27am by lsfreak
#4 May 01 2008 at 9:32 PM Rating: Default
Wait, fire blast doesn't help? Also, the latency thing, i'm curious, what do you mean? Generally, i just mash the button for the next spell constantly; I constantly mash it, i don't wait. And what's this quartz thing?

My fireball deals ~2 k damage (More like, 1850-1950), while my fireblast deals ~1k. Because of global cooldown, i consider fireblast a 1 second cast spell; My fireball thus would do 650-750 dps (In a perfect world without resists, not counting crits), where my fireblast deals ~1k dps.

Edited, May 2nd 2008 1:37am by Litheablion
#5 May 01 2008 at 9:56 PM Rating: Good
global cooldown is 1.5 seconds, half of a fireball cast.
#6 May 01 2008 at 10:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Litheablion wrote:
I was in kara today with the following stats:

1040 Spell damage
77 Spell Hit
30,02% Spell Crit
18 Spell Haste
10340 Mana (Unbuffed)

Detail: I have a Lightning Capacitator, a trinket that throws a 800 damage lightning bolt every third crit.


Here is my spec:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=obxVc0fzxIzrZxgGzb0co




I don't have any mana problems, i use mana pots + my gems. But on bosses, my DPS isn't breaking 550ish. What the hell? What's wrong with me? My spell rotation is Fireball > Fireball > Fire Blast, pretty straight forward. Why is my DPS that horrible? I hear mages that have similar gear doing over twice my DPS in raids, i just don't understand, how can i improve this? What am i doing wrong? What could i be doing wrong? Help! ><


I'm going to assume you're doing this, but just in case you aren't...are you stacking up 5x scorch and keeping it up during the fight?
#7 May 01 2008 at 10:31 PM Rating: Default
I didn't have imp scorch in that build.. But i just switched to a 48/11 build (with icy veins). I hope that gives some desired results.
#8 May 02 2008 at 12:02 AM Rating: Good
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Litheablion wrote:
I didn't have imp scorch in that build.. But i just switched to a 48/11 build (with icy veins). I hope that gives some desired results.


Ah, that's a big help. That alone should up your DPS from 550 to 632 or so all on its own(the scorch thing).

Edited, May 2nd 2008 2:06am by Poldaran
#9 May 02 2008 at 6:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Besides the rotation being bad, you should pick up more spell hit, the scryer trinket and badge ring should get you pretty close to where you should be, which is 164 with talents. You should be well able to do 800+ dps raid buffed (and the target raid debuffed) with your current damage, crit and haste, provided that you fix the hit.
#10 May 02 2008 at 7:57 AM Rating: Default
Ok, here's my new talent spec:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=odZxgMzfcIoeRtMhG0o



So, as a spell rotation, just 8x fireball 1x scorch?

Edited, May 2nd 2008 11:58am by Litheablion
#11 May 02 2008 at 8:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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5x Scorch to start, then 8 fireball, 1 scorch rotation.
#12 May 02 2008 at 5:02 PM Rating: Default
Will try so on sunday raid evening.
#13 May 03 2008 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
Wow, that was a parade-example of a problem being solved xD.

BTW, I believe that a smart dps-group setup would also boost your DPS. I'm no raider and don't know what high-end raiders are actually setting up for raid-groups, but having a shammy to drop the spelldamage totem and a firelock for the firedebuff will help your dps really much.

I also do not know if you use consumables to help your dps, but the wizard oil+ 23 SD food and adept's elixir should bring you over 1.1k SD. At least if its your base-damage you postet.

There is a meta-gem which gives crit-rating and 3% more critdamage, and although I haven't tried it for myself I know top-mages use it in raids.

What others have said about you needing to be hit-capped is also very true.

This + icy veins, imp scorch and better spell-rotation would bring you over 1k DPS in a not movement-based fight, at least IMO. Use icy veins together with SD-trinket in order to get the most out of it and beware, if you're in gropup with a shammy, that you don't use icy-veins when he uses the speed buff.
#14 May 03 2008 at 11:36 AM Rating: Default
Why not speed buff + Veins? Also; i always use Flasks of Pure Death in groups and raids.
#15 May 03 2008 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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wah flask of pure death for kara? you are damed rich @@


your stats certainly looks amazing for kara, get around 70 more spell hit you are good for t5 content d

btw, dont blindly follow 8x fireball 1x scorch after your initial 5x scorch

this is because sometimes due to lagging or some reasons, your 5x scorch buff will be finish after you cast your no.8 fireball

try to see if the buff of scorch is still on the boss be4 you decide to cast the no.8 spell as fireball or use scorch instead

and yes Quartz is important...very....
#16 May 03 2008 at 2:33 PM Rating: Good
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samleetingal wrote:
wah flask of pure death for kara? you are damed rich


It's not bad at all if you are the alchemist that makes your own flasks.
#17 May 03 2008 at 2:43 PM Rating: Good
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Raglu wrote:
samleetingal wrote:
wah flask of pure death for kara? you are damed rich


It's not bad at all if you are the alchemist that makes your own flasks.


Do all the Isle dailies + most of the other Shattered Sun dailies 2x a week and you'll have more than enough, easily. I go through 8-9 flasks a week, not to mention the massive destruction potion addiction I have.
#18 May 03 2008 at 5:02 PM Rating: Default
I do all dailies each day, ~150 g per day (+ The enchanting mats i get from DEing greens that i get as drops and from shattered sun cache). I also get all the blues people don't need, then i DE them.. Usually, i end up with 3-10 shards per day.

So yeah, money is easy.
#19 May 03 2008 at 7:55 PM Rating: Good
Litheablion wrote:
I do all dailies each day, ~150 g per day (+ The enchanting mats i get from DEing greens that i get as drops and from shattered sun cache). I also get all the blues people don't need, then i DE them.. Usually, i end up with 3-10 shards per day.

So yeah, money is easy.


I'm going to assume you don't do all of the potential 25 dailies then?
#20 May 03 2008 at 8:09 PM Rating: Default
Only the one from 2.4. The others have quests to unlock them which i simply can't be assed doing.
#21 May 04 2008 at 2:16 AM Rating: Good
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ah...talk about money, i also do around 14 dailies everyday


2 at skettis,1 at nagrand, 1 at netherstorm, 8 at isle of quendelas, and 2 at hellfire penisula

ocassioanally i farm primal water, but my gold still go down so fast. :S

guess i am a heavy shopper, once i got money i will buy something like primal mooncloth to make bags, powerlevel enchanting, and now wanted to buy darkmoon card: crusade.
sigh....well this is way too off topic
:p
#22 May 04 2008 at 4:22 AM Rating: Decent
xD Flask of pure death would be cheap if it was the only thing one has to buy...

But imagine you have a new headpiece:
glyp of power: 80g
Meta gem: 180g
another gem 50g+

and here goes the gold worth 2-3 days of quel'danas questing. add in flask of pure death, and you'll know why ppl think just tossing in 55g for it IS actually prttey expesive xD.

I'm actually saving for the new honor-gear in s4.
Its gonna be boar'S speed enchant, 15 SD on bracers 12 SD on ring, 2 yellow Gems and and the enchants for one random s4 piece that I'm not sure about.

So here you have the reason for why I think 55g on a low-end raid is the ****. Considering how ineffective you blew that kind of money makes it even worse.
There you have it, no offense.
#23 May 04 2008 at 5:31 AM Rating: Decent
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slackers... there are 4 dailies from ogri'la that are worth about another 70g
#24 May 04 2008 at 9:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Weekly:
- 5 flasks
- 2-3 wizard oil
- 20 +dmg food
- 60 mana pots
- Two respecs
Plus, since 2.4, two leg enchants, helm enchant, glove enchant, bracer enchant, 4 hearts of darkness, 12 spellcloth, Soulfrost, Belt of the Long Road, Belt of Blasting, and bunch of CE and Aldor rep items for friends.

I started 2.4 with less than 150g on me, that's about 500g per week of expenses plus another 5000g worth of other stuff. Really, you have no excuse for complaining about money, it's easy as hell to make.

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