Not really a rant....just an experience which left me a little confused.
I ran ST with my lowbie boomkin the other day. Our healer for the run was a Holy Paly. Since I have a pre-raid 70 Healadin I thought I knew what to expect from him. Flash heals with occassional HL's when necessary. Instead I saw him only using Holy Lights to heal.
Flash doesn't really start to shine until you get to a level where +heal gear becomes readily available. So it's not unheard of to rely on HL at lower levels. This sometimes panics the person being healed because the heal takes so long to fire. But once they get used to it they stop worrying about their health bar flashing red. The odd part was how he was geared. He had tons and tons of spirit. He only had maybe one piece of gear on him which had intellect. This gave him a mana pool of about 2.5k. Half of what my Boomkin had. He even mentioned the small size of his mana pool at the beginning of the run. But he said not too worry because "I have a lot of spirit". He even made a resto-spec shammy play dps. This paly healed pretty well I guess. But he had to drink after every fight (just like my oomkin) and often ran out of mana before the fight was over. I had to switch forms a lot to help heal and I know the shammy was tossing in the odd heal as well. I'm scared to think what would have happened if 2 back-up healers hadn't been available.
I'm 99.9% sure that spirit does jack for a paladin healer due to the need for us to be constantly casting. So the only thing it did for him was speed up his post-fight recovery. I'm guessing people are misinterpreting the spirit changes and thinking it equates to in-combat mp/5? Or is there some kind of benefit to stacking spirit that I have overlooked?
I really disn't want to be "that guy" and pull the "I have a 70 and you should do this" card. So I kept my mouth shut and just healed when needed to avoid wipes. But I hate seeing people struggle just because of poor gear/stat choices. Anyone else experience something similar b/c of these spirit changes?
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Well, at least if he needed an innervate, he had the spirit to back it up.
Not that that's much consolation, though.
Not that that's much consolation, though.
This reminds me of my beginning in wow ^^
I created a priest, discovering talents trees. After reading talents descriptions and mana regeneration informations available in game, I came to strange conclusions too ^^
Well regen stops when casting, priests talents can boost spirit and allow a little spirit regen while casting! Hum great combo! And oh as a human my spirit gets also a boost! I will be a spirit healer, using improved versions of all available instant spells ^^. So I won't be often in casting time.
Ok ok, I was discoreving the game ... Had to learn that mana regen description was completly wrong in game, felt a little betrayed... But I was Lucky, as priests get great benefit from spirit gear anyway... If I had begun with a pally toon, this discovery would have been more dramatic ^^
Then I made rerolls to test other healers, and yes, knowing only priests, and after testing the ridicoulous flash of light at low levels I thought it was a really weak and played my paladin as I played my priest, which was really really wrong... But at low levels who cares, all classes seem to work the same way, you get full mana 5 sec after finishing a fight without drinking so... I thought "hum ok this spell costs nothing, but it is so weak... definitely, I'll stick with holy lights!"
I believe your healer was new to the game, fooled by the in game poor informations about every thing, particulary mana regen.
I created a priest, discovering talents trees. After reading talents descriptions and mana regeneration informations available in game, I came to strange conclusions too ^^
Well regen stops when casting, priests talents can boost spirit and allow a little spirit regen while casting! Hum great combo! And oh as a human my spirit gets also a boost! I will be a spirit healer, using improved versions of all available instant spells ^^. So I won't be often in casting time.
Ok ok, I was discoreving the game ... Had to learn that mana regen description was completly wrong in game, felt a little betrayed... But I was Lucky, as priests get great benefit from spirit gear anyway... If I had begun with a pally toon, this discovery would have been more dramatic ^^
Then I made rerolls to test other healers, and yes, knowing only priests, and after testing the ridicoulous flash of light at low levels I thought it was a really weak and played my paladin as I played my priest, which was really really wrong... But at low levels who cares, all classes seem to work the same way, you get full mana 5 sec after finishing a fight without drinking so... I thought "hum ok this spell costs nothing, but it is so weak... definitely, I'll stick with holy lights!"
I believe your healer was new to the game, fooled by the in game poor informations about every thing, particulary mana regen.
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Flash doesn't really start to shine until you get to a level where +heal gear becomes readily available.
I have different memories. I started instance healing in my 40ies while prot spec, and FoL has always been my bread and butter heal spell, allowing me not just to keep the party alive but to outlast most of the crap hits the fan situations to boot. And while I had started collecting a healer set, until Outlands the focus was on mana mainly, I don't think I sported over 100+heal until crossing the dark portal.
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He only had maybe one piece of gear on him which had intellect. This gave him a mana pool of about 2.5k.
That's pretty low for ST if my own experience is any indication. 3k+ is what I remember having at 50.
The tooltip for Spirit specifically states "while not casting", which leads me to believe that the majority of people who don't know how Spirit works just don't pay attention. I may be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but it IS right there for all to see. Though it doesn't mention the 5 second rule so it could be clearer, but it's not like they don't tell you. People just need to take a little bit more time to actually look at things imo, and not just rush headfirst into the unknown =/
And yea, that mana pool is pretty bad. I've been leveling a Druid as Feral, but recently did a respec to Oomkin cause I started leveling alongside my gf's Warlock. I only had maybe 60% of the gear for a caster set, though I've replaced a few pieces, but still my set isn't that great: lots of lower level items (I'm 52 right now). My mana pool is about 3.5k with pretty crap gear, so 2.5k ... Eww.
Edited, Apr 30th 2008 10:14pm by Maulgak
And yea, that mana pool is pretty bad. I've been leveling a Druid as Feral, but recently did a respec to Oomkin cause I started leveling alongside my gf's Warlock. I only had maybe 60% of the gear for a caster set, though I've replaced a few pieces, but still my set isn't that great: lots of lower level items (I'm 52 right now). My mana pool is about 3.5k with pretty crap gear, so 2.5k ... Eww.
Edited, Apr 30th 2008 10:14pm by Maulgak
Given the speed at which you can level these days, I'd say it's entirely possible that this guy has relatively little instance-healing experience. It took me 7 months of inconsistent play to get my paladin to level 70; I consider myself 'experienced', but I still learn new things. It's very easy to reach level 40/50-something while still being very naive about game mechanics. As for the 'casting/not casting' thing, I assumed for a long time that if I threw a heal, then didn't throw another for 3 seconds, that I would regen at the 'non-casting' rate for those three seconds. I didn't know about the 5 second rule; he probably doesn't either.
While I know you didn't want to be 'that guy', you probably would have done the guy a favor if, after the instance was over, you had talked to him -- nicely -- about it. I know people in-game can sometimes be very sensitive about criticism, but I think most people also want to improve. A discussion, that doesn't come off as 'LOL, noob, why are you wearing that?' would probably be welcomed by the guy, and will be helpful to him (and you, if you ever run with him again).
While I know you didn't want to be 'that guy', you probably would have done the guy a favor if, after the instance was over, you had talked to him -- nicely -- about it. I know people in-game can sometimes be very sensitive about criticism, but I think most people also want to improve. A discussion, that doesn't come off as 'LOL, noob, why are you wearing that?' would probably be welcomed by the guy, and will be helpful to him (and you, if you ever run with him again).
Very simple - he doesn't really understand the mechanics of spirit and how it applies to Paladins. Honestly, I didn't understand spirit for a long time either...I think until I was level 65 or so. Mana regen, in general, didn't really cross my mind. I never even thought of working mana regen into my gear until lvl 70.
Anyway, now you know for certain that Spirit is useless to Paladin healing, even post 2.4. So next time you see someone like that, you can have a conversation with them to help them better prepare.
The key is to show them the stat on their character sheet (hover mouse over "Mana Regen" in Spell tab). When they see that tiny little number for mana regen when casting, they will understand. A lot of lvl 70s don't even know that :P
Anyway, now you know for certain that Spirit is useless to Paladin healing, even post 2.4. So next time you see someone like that, you can have a conversation with them to help them better prepare.
The key is to show them the stat on their character sheet (hover mouse over "Mana Regen" in Spell tab). When they see that tiny little number for mana regen when casting, they will understand. A lot of lvl 70s don't even know that :P
This is interesting as maybe he came straight from another game. I was leveling my UD priest in ghostlands the other day and was grouped up with a BE pally. He said he had a few other low level toons but I could tell he still knew nothing of the game. He was more concerned with the armor value on items rather than stats (Ex a grey with 125 armor vs a green with 115 armor and 2 stamina...) when i was talking to him about stats he too thought spirit was important, he said it was "healing power" when i nicely corrected him and told him spirit means nothing to pallys, as well as explained the differences is different levels of gear "green,blue,purp,etc...) he still seemed reluctant to drop his spirit gear and greys... im not sure what game he came from but, theres one out there messing with the minds of young wowlings
Maybe that paladin was me....jk jk.I'm still learning about Paladins.I've noticed more paladins are going holy at higher levels then prot.Guess healing sets are easier to obtain.Guess i'll find out at higher levels.and no i don't have any spirit gear lol.I'm ret so i use Agi,Stam and Str gear with occasional intellect for mana boost.Aren't paladins great :D
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