What are paladins most used for endgame?Follow

So what are your feelings about shockadin builds? Is there ANY place in a raid for it? Do they do meh-ish damage, or are they viable? Is there a cutoff point where, if they were at one point, they sure as heck aren't anymore, like T6 content or somesuch?

Being horde-side, there's just not that big of a supply of pallys to begin with. I'm wondering if we can take what we can get.

Shockadin is around to make ret look good, tbh.

If you have no major plans for end game, either in terms of PvP, or PvE then great go for it. You will be good enough to heal 5 mans, heroics too if you get the gear and it is solo friendly though not really mana efficient.

Other than that is is pretty fricking bad. Horribly mana inefficient dps, lacking some heals of pure holy build, and all round fail.

I feel like a lot of people judge retribution paladin purely on their DPS compared to other classes instead of the other stuff they do. I know shaman get this treatment a lot too. To me, if Blizzard needs to buff ret paladins, they should do it in the form of making them enhance parties more...

The way I see it, it doesn't matter if they're good dps, because other classes can fill the spot. You can't ask a rogue to tank nor heal though, so the classes that can, should, or sometimes you have a shortage. I think this is what causes a lot of the contempt towards retribution paladins. They could be playing that tank you've been waiting 3 hours for.

Have to disagree with you there. In reality the only holy talent a shockadin will miss out on is Divine illumination, which while nice, isn't make or break. That and spiritual focus, but that's barely useful in raids anyway, not to mention if you really wanted it you could get it. The ONLY real difference between a shockadin and a pure healadin is that a shockadin doesn't have kings. that and the fact that a shockadin can do dailies without having to watch his beard grow out.

Anyone who hasn't had their head up their rump for the past... well... ever, will not judge Shaman based purely on their DPS but on their ability (or sometimes, complete unwillingness) to keep up totems for the party. The problem is that bad Shaman that for some reason outright refuse to totem-buff are rampant, and once you willingly give up your buffing... all that's left to judge is your DPS.

The only place Shaman really face discrimination is in heroics, where their buffs, great as they are, simply do not outweigh the need for CC unless you have an extremely well-geared tank and healer.


Actually, their DPS is what matters. The problem isn't that they can DPS when they should be doing something else. The problem is that they could be doing something else while another class could come in and DPS/DPS buff better than the Ret can.

The biggest issue with Ret Pallies is that they're largely wasted until you get to 25-man content. Their biggest utility is the ability to keep multiple Judgements up for the duration of a fight, but until you're packing 25 people into the raid, you're just not likely to see enough Paladins to justify it. 5-man groups with more than one Pally are rare, and so are 10-man groups with more than two. That leaves them with their 2% DPS increase, which other classes can easily top, and then their raw DPS, which, again, other classes can easily top.

Me, personally, I know I would love to have a good Ret along for a 25-man raid. But I wouldn't relish the idea of taking one to Kara or a heroic. Kara, maybe, if I knew his DPS was really incredible and my options were limited, but definitely not a heroic.