what incentive for nonguildies?Follow

will try to keep this short...

our current loot rules have kara/gruul/za on open rolling to include outsiders into rolling for loot, and T5 and up content is dkp-based. we finally downed gruul again after a month of rebuilding, and the dragonspine trophy dropped. our rogue CL had been waiting 5 months for it to drop, but since the roll was open to all a shaman from another guild (that we lost many of our hardcore raiders to) rolled higher and won the trinket. understandably, our rogue CL was pissed. however, the loot rules had been posted for discussion for at least a week without resistance, and i myself had been back to look at them many, many, many times just to make sure i wasn't ******** up looting in the 10 mans i was running. on the one hand, we do want to gear our guildies up first, especially one that has worked as hard and has been as dedicated as our rogue CL has. on the other hand, we need to have some incentive to keep nonguildies raiding with us to fill spots in our raids, at least until we can get more consistent raid participation from more guildies.



so... what incentive can we use to appease nonguildies? my rogue CL offered the shaman 700g for the trinket, but the shaman refused. i've thought of reimbursing them for their time and consumables. any other ideas?

That's the problem with using that system for partial pugs. Why would I go to your raid if I know that there's no chance of getting any loot?

If you were in town and saw "/2 LF4M Mag. You have no chance of getting any loot if you come.", would you join that raid?

Our guild does Gruul runs where the only purpose is to gear our core raiders with DST (b/c it is just that good...even in Sunwell, so sad). Alts and outside members are allowed to join, with the understanding that everything is open roll except the DST (Gruul is ML'd). Never had a problem with that, since everyone knows going in that DST is not open, but everything else is.

Not every guild have enough people (or enough sufficiently geared people) to do all guild runs. That's why people pug gruul in the first place.

on a side note, it peeves me considerably that there are so many little guilds alliance-side that cannot even do 10 mans, and they refuse to join bigger guilds like ours so they can progress. they always tell me "no thanks, but we're going to try and recruit for our own 25 mans" ><

This. GO with the understanding that everything is open except DST. It's too good to let it go to some PuG that you'll never see again.

The other two options are:
- Get enough guildies to run it with a non-full group. With good gear and a lack of idiots, you should be able to 18-20 man it being a little short on DPS, provided your DPS that are there are well-geared.
- Get a rogue geared as an avoidance tank (102.4% dodge/parry/miss, spec 0/21/40) and buy raid ID's for failed PuGs that killed Maulgar but not Gruul, and go in with as many people are willing to help out. More than likely it'll take quite a while since any DPS that comes will either have to hold back (ranged) or run in, hit a few times, and get out of whatever his second-melee-aggro attack is. Cave Ins get messy with that too, but it's possible (at least theoretically). I've got a rogue planning on doing this if we ever finally stop doing Gruul (5 badges for 20 minutes, though, we probably won't).

Please know what the hell you're talking about before commenting. It is best or second-best until Sunwell for shammies, warriors, rogues, ret pallies, feral druids, and hunters. Drives me crazy when one of said classes somehow think they're more entitled to it than everyone else.

Edited, Apr 29th 2008 12:05pm by lsfreak

Haste rating doesn't effect slow/slow in any way, they're still hitting just as hard, except they're hitting more often. There has yet to be any proof that at some point haste actually lowers your dps, if anything there's small plateaus where it doesn't effect DPS as much as at other amounts of haste, but it's always a gain. And to say it's "not that great" is downright wrong, by upper T5 it's on par with agility and crit, by Sunwell it's well ahead.