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It means I'm laughing.

I understood that, I just didn't understand what you were laughing about.

I've never claimed that average damage wasn't important when looking at a weapon.

I'm not laughing at you, just all the semantics flying around.

Because of YOU!



To me its like saying I want to get epix. Its not the fact that an item is epic quality that makes it good, it the stats, but everyone knows what you mean. Its shorthand, like most of language is.

Behold! The power of the interwebinatrix:
I've spend too much time here than I care to consider.

In my late 30s I think I was sporting the Vanquishers and the Rapier. But memory's only good for killing with beer. So...

Good luck!

*edit: Thrash Blade (..."the Mara sword"...) is so very, very awesome at the level. Shoot for that as soon as you can.

Edited, Apr 29th 2008 5:31pm by TherionSaysWhat

Except that while almost everyone who plays the game knows the ranking of item quality by color, there are plenty of people who don't realize what this weapon speed shorthand really means. It's not of the same magnitude of obviousness and you might get people who throw away an upgrade when looking mainly at weapon speed.

Lol no. If you fit that into the formula, changing the weapon speed would change the Sinister Strike damage...

Mathematically that might seem correct (it isn't), but as we all know the weapon speed itself is irrelevant for the Sinister Strike damage. Your error is caused by confusing damage with average damage.

Correct would be to use [Average weapon damage = (Low end damage + Top end damage) / 2] in the formula, if you want to calculate the average Sinister Strike Damage.



Edited, May 6th 2008 10:00am by Prikker

You're an idiot.

They're not saying the same thing.

If you have a weapon with 128-239 damage, 2.2 speed, you end up with 83.5 dps. Change the speed to 2.7, but leave the damage untouched, and it drops to 68 dps. DPS is a calculated statistic for weighting, not a variable used in the calculation as wyt claims.

Weapons are balanced based around that DPS rating; all weapons of a similar iLv will be of similar DPS, but will have varying damage and speeds to balance out this DPS figure. But normalized instant attacks use the average damage figure exclusively in their calculations, so the only relevant statistic on that weapon is that 128-239.

Ergo, generally, a slower weapon will have the higher average damage you're looking for, and will thus be superior. But not every time. So looking at the speed of the weapon is an exercise in futility.

Edited, May 6th 2008 6:07pm by Norellicus

Are you trying to emulate Theophany? I think you are not there yet...

As for saying the same thing - well, there are definitely some common points, but MentalFrog is stuck on the weapon damage range calculations, like *many* others I must say, and probably does not see that:
average weapon damage = (min+max)/2 = DPS*speed
In fact you can use any side of the equation for calculating SS (or any other) damage. All values are given right at the weapon tooltip. But the fact is, that if you "freeze" the DPS value, for example comparing 2 weapons with the same DPS, then it's much easier to look at weapon speed only, than do the (min+max)/2 calculation. Both ways get you the same result.
So if you, for example, compare 2 top-level "blue" weapons, that all have 71.x dps, then the only thing you need to check is the weapon speed. "Slower is better". This is where it is coming from.

What is wrong, is saying that only one of the methods is right, which comes from failing to understand the other method. And, if you don't understand things like weapon speed and DPS, there is really not much future in rogue theorycrafting.

Jesus, is it really that complicated?

You pick the one that deals more damage.

God.