One-handed sword info pls.Follow

Those are both pretty solid swords that will last you for a while.

10 WSG wins ... Just 10 ... and you can have the perfect sword-

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=19556

38 is a fun level to be a Rogue ... No resilience = GG

I'm not twinking at 39. I already have a rogue at 29, and a warrior at 39.

That is a really nice sword though. Exactly what I'm looking for, other than being a BG reward...

All weapons of a certain level usually have a similar dps, depending on quality.

So, for instance, if you have a 30 dps sword with 2.2 speed, and a 30 dps sword with a 2.7 speed, the only difference is that each hit with the slow sword is for more but more time inbetween, right?

For white damage, these two will give same results. HOWEVER, rogues have special abilities that are entirely dependent upon your energy. Since energy regens at the same rate no matter what your sword speed, you'll do these special attacks at the same rate no matter your weapon speed.

So suddenly speed becomes irrelevant, dps becomes irrelevant, what is left? The per hit damage of the weapon.

So, a slower weapon, with equal dps as a faster weapon, for a rogue, will make stronger special attacks, leading to more overall damage. That is why.



So I guess to answer your question, its not that you want a slow sword, you want the weapon with the highest damage per hit. This USUALLY equates to slower weapons since weapons are balanced by dps, not by damage. IF you're looking at a given range of weapons, its nearly always the slowest that will have the highest per-hit damage.


Blizzard could very easily change this by making energy regen rate related to weapon speed. They'd have to make changes though, since suddenly daggers would be so much better than other weapons, since you can only ambush and mutilate with daggers.

Edited, Apr 28th 2008 11:25am by digitalcraft

slower weapon assuming similar DPS will do more damage overall with special attacks.

when people say "too fast" they are generally comparing that item to an item of similar quality and therefor similar DPS.

Overall slower weapons have higher dmg. The reason is to keep slow and fast weapons balanced to the same lvl of dps. If you had a slow weapon with the same dmg per hit as a fast weapon why would you ever take the slower one? The faster one would have a higher dps.

You probably won't find a fast weapon with the same dmg per hit as a slower weapon unless the required lvl of the faster one is a much higher lvl than the slower one. This is why people say the slower is better. The fact is though is the speed has nothing to do with why it's better. This is why looking for a slower weapon is misleading. It irks me when players say this.

Hopefully players look at everything when considering an upgrade. For example let's say you have 2 swords.

75 dmg w/ 2.6 sec = 28.8 dps

80 dmg w/ 2.5 sec = 32 dps

The dmg difference isn't that much. The speed difference isn't that much. However if I asked someone and they said to go with the slower weapon it'd be false in this case. I'd lose 5 dmg on my special attacks and it'd be slower. The faster one would hit harder as well as make my special attacks hit harder. The difference is small but your dps would be lower with the slower one than the faster one.

Now if I looked at the dmg per hit instead of the speed I'd clearly take the faster one.

Think of it this way. Computer hardware has a certain cost. Now let's say you have $2000 dollars to buy a new computer. You go to store A and they give you a certain spec list of everything you can get for that price. Now you go to store B and the list is the same. You jump to the conclusion that $2000 will get you exactly that. Spend any less and you'll get less. Now you go to store C and they have the exact same setup as store A and B except at $1800 instead of $2000. Since you concluded that spending less will result in less you clearly think that buying from store A or B is the way to go. That's false because you're getting the same exact hardware at 10% off. You're not getting less but getting more for your money.

This is the same kind of thinking behind the 'slower weapon in the main hand'. It's false and you should be looking at dmg because that's the stat that's really effecting the mechanics behind it.

Now the off-hand is different and speed plays a much bigger role in dps than the dmg. The reason is because the off-hand has things like poison procs & combat potency that proc per hit. Faster weapons means more hits. The more hits you get off the more procs you get. The dmg from the off-hand doesn't affect things like sinister strike.

So with the Main hand dmg will take the top priority because that will increase your dps the most. In the off-hand speed takes priority because it increase your dps the most. Also shiv costs less energy the faster your off-hand is.

nice try. No, actually not really. At least read the comment!

speed becomes irrelevant

Mental, Felsteel Longblade is a 2.20 speed, 83 DPS sword.

Would you expect a 71 DPS 2.70 speed to come even close to matching that as a MH sword?

It does. They're actually fairly even, in terms of DPS.

Why? Normalization. Anything under 2.40 speed actually loses out on damage because of how AP is calculated into the damage of Sinister Strike/Hemo.

So yes, speed does matter. And that's why Failsteel Lolblade is a piece of sh*t; because blue swords are better than it.

...is it just me, or are all of you saying basically the same thing?

Take whichever sword/fist has the highest top end hit value and that us usually going to be the sword/fist you want. If that happens to be a slow one, good for you, if its a not as slow one, good for you.

dude, you're making my eye start to twitch.