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Are warriors losing their tanking edge?Follow

#1 Apr 24 2008 at 7:01 PM Rating: Decent
i played pre-bc and i started currently playing the burning crusade. It seems to me like other classes are starting to be as good at tanking as warriors. Maybe it's just me but it almost seems like warriors aren't needed as much as they use to. if u could please elaborate on pros and cons of warrior tanks, druid tanks, and pally tanks. thanks in advance.
#2 Apr 24 2008 at 7:24 PM Rating: Default
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#3 Apr 25 2008 at 2:47 AM Rating: Good
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To be honest I like it the way it is now.
Three vialable tanking classes each with its strengths and weaknesses.

If not for our drood OT and palla OT I would have been stuck with protection build 24/7. Now I just respec to it twice a week :P .

Warriors are still the tank class.

Still our GM refuses to try some fights without Palla tank and prefers other with drood tank. Still most MT of raiding guilds are warriors - and it is not because there are more warriors then ferals...
#4 Apr 25 2008 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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If by "losing their edge" you mean "are no longer the only tank that stands a chance at tanking anything," then yes they are losing their edge. What's really happened, though, is that the other classes no longer suck at tanking.

Warriors are still the highest single-target threat and have the most ****** buttons.
Druids take heavy burst better and make the best offtanks due to not requiring as much rage.
Pallies are far an away the best tanks on multiple mobs, can put out insane threat on demons (Aneth infernals, Gorefiend), and are better at grabbing mobs that run (Leo's WW).

For the most part, any of them can tank any boss, provided they have the gear and know how to play.
#5 Apr 28 2008 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Each tanking class complements eachother. When we raid we usually have atleast 1 of each class. Warriors IMO are the best at boss tanking with a couple exceptions. For high burst damage a Druid weathers it better, and AOE tanking pally wins hands down. To answer your question Warriors are just as capable now as tanks as they were pre TBC.
#6 Apr 28 2008 at 9:55 PM Rating: Decent
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My guild has a paladin that is now MTing one of our kara groups, and a druid that MT'd our first attempt at Mags (despite having 3 warriors that were in better gear...he was luck that night). But you know who does our main tanking on new encounters 90% of the time? Yep, our warriors.
#7 Apr 29 2008 at 5:26 AM Rating: Decent
Personally speaking, my burst and initial threat is ridiculous, and on bosses that require more than one tank (bloodboil) I typically start it off.

The only difference really being is I don't have as many "oh **** buttons" that a warrior has, as mentioned previously, nor can I take the high burst damage as well as a druid. But all 3 tanks are extremely good to have.

Our guild uses 2 well geared warriors, me as prot pally, and a feral druid. If someone misses a raid, its no big deal, as all 4 of us can tank kalecgos pretty equally. The druid seems to shine on that fight, but all of us seem to average out about the same. I can take the big hits, just not as well, and if I need a heal or something bad is about to happen, I'm usually screwed where a warrior can pull out fine.

I would never want just one type of tank, I think it's a huge factor having all 3 types in a raid. Especially since on certain fights where the paladin or druid aren't needed, they can do other things better than the warrior could if he wasn't tanking.

Did I mention I love my threat? Just wish I could take the same amount of damage as easily, but there are pro's and cons to each tank. I might be squishier than the other tank types, but I won't be getting pulled off of by the dps.
#8 Apr 29 2008 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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From my experience if you can get into the Guilds warrior tank slot you're lucky.
My guild has 1 main warrior tank(me) 1 druid tank and 3 pally tanks. As it is now I hardly ever MT new bosses as we step into Hyjal and Black Temple. Yesterday guild 1 shot Supremus for the first time and I wasn't even in the raid. For most new bosses I'm not even really considered and I know I can play my class well because thats how I got to where I am and when I do tank on rare occasions it's a boss that the guild has downed once or twice before or a warrior tank is just the best class for it which has been once since I started tanking (3rd boss of Hyj
#9 Apr 30 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think warriors are losing their "edge", I just think that there are more tanking options now, so it's more difficult to get into limited tanking spots. I was our guild's original MT for Kara raids, then I missed a day, and that was it for me. They had a feral druid for OT'ing, so I couldn't even really get into that spot. I just think that with the variety of tanks available for maybe 2 spots in a 10 man and 4 or so in a 25 man, it's tough to get work these days. There are a lot more places open for DPS, and it seems that everyone's desperate for a healer. Warriors can tank just as well as ever, but with improvements to druid and pally tanking, they're not the only game in town anymore.
#10 Apr 30 2008 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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despite perhaps not having the burst threat capabilities of a pally or druid, or the massive health pool and high armor of a druid, warrior tanks are not limited by a mana pool unlike pallies, and can be uncrushable unlike druids. on top of that, we have our "oh ****" buttons... heroic kael 46k damage pyro? last stand+shield wall right through it.
#11 Apr 30 2008 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
they haven't lost their edge, but with droods and tankadins handling multiple mobs better, they're not used anywhere near as much. too many groups have passed me up in favor of a pali or druid. warriors do have more "oh ****" buttons that druids, but palis have their "can't touch me" button, and both palis and druids can heal themselves. warriors are still viable tanks, but don't be too surprised if you don't get picked up for a bunch of groups just cause you're prot spec.
#12 Apr 30 2008 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
alright so it seems to me like warrior's advantages are the "oh sh** buttons!" and having great threat generation compared to the other classes,but it looks like I'll have a lot more competition due to the increase of capable tanks.
#13 May 01 2008 at 5:07 AM Rating: Decent
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tbh the only real competition i've had with tanking 5 mans is against pallies in heroics like shattered halls, and rarely in magister's terrace. otherwise people snatch up the first tank they see. since i've built up a decent stam set also (<21k health), i can do a fair job offtanking stuff like nalorakk or gruul, and i've found that with very careful outfit swapping to a dual wield setup, i can also generate threat in rage-starved situations than i could with a sword n board.
#14 May 12 2008 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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I joined a pickup Kara raid over the past weekend and, much to my surprise, continually kept getting out-aggroed by the feral druid offtank. The druid had never stepped foot inside Kara before, but had plenty of pvp gear. I'm guessing she was putting out more threat than me because of her dps? I can't think of another reason why she would pull aggro off of me time and time again, when the normal dps were unable to do so.

For background sake, I've tanked most of the lower half of Kara several times, and never had an issue with threat once I figured out the difference between shield bash and shield slam. =P

Any thoughts welcome. BTW, my character was Marroweater (Steamwheedle) and the druid was Saphe. Thanks!
#15 May 12 2008 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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the simplest answer i can think of is that it was her first time in kara. druids can fairly easily out-threat warriors when they offtank simply because of the way their talents, procs and stats were designed. if it was her first time in there, then maybe she didn't know to watch her threat.
#16 May 13 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Default
Warriors will never lose there tanking edge. Warriors will not die(unless there not healed). I get tired of people saying that Paladins can out damage a fully geared epic warrior. There is no way and if there was as paladin it would be worth trying for. Warriors are the meat shields that lay waist to all those who provoke there way of life.

As we slay a mob one by one, we turn them into maggot meat and flush them...Look there done!
#17 May 13 2008 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks, Froman. That's interesting about the druids threat-generating capabilities. I have never been in a situation where I was tanking in the same place as one, so I'm unfamiliar with their comparative level of threat generation. I do find it a little strange that they are more effective at generating threat than a warrior on a single target, but cest la vie. Now I know, so in the future I can ask them to please lay off the threat abilities when they don't have a designated mob hehe. Thanks!
#18 May 13 2008 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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i don't know all the specifics, but generally feral tanks can generate rage from crits, and when they crit they can proc omen of clarity, which reduces the rage/energy/mana cost of the next ability (to zero?). feral tanks can put out a lot of threat on a single target. however, they start running into problems when they get into situations like tanking the 2nd phase of prince (no shield wall+last stand, no block to push crushing blows off the attack table). i've also had a feral tank run into LoS problems when tanking lurker in the water... when his healers ran into the water outside of the ring to avoid whirl, they weren't able to get LoS on him.
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