The guild I'm currently in isn't very interested on progressing beyond Kara and the occasional Gruul's/Mag run (combined guild run). I'm looking to get into a guild doing SSC/TK, but looking around their aren't many guilds looking for hunters.
What are some things you've done to try and get into a better guild as a hunter?
I'm geared for starting SSC/TK, I'm putting out around 800dps average, 1000-1200 on boss fights... just not sure how to try and convince guilds that I'm worth a spot.
and no, this isn't a recruitment thread... please don't say "jump to ---- and play in ----"
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if you want to get into a better guild you are gonna need to get better gear, my hunter does not have on anything past kara and i normally break 1k dps in 5-man, and 1.1-1.2k in kara. You still have on the green hit trinket and the ****** crit one from hellfire.
Spend some time and farm badges get the new flower bow, and fix your trinkets. Look into grinding some rep and replacing those blue bracers with the vindicator's one.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Greengimp
Spend some time and farm badges get the new flower bow, and fix your trinkets. Look into grinding some rep and replacing those blue bracers with the vindicator's one.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Greengimp
not that I've tried to get into raiding guilds, but the invites I've gotten have largely been because of my trapping. might be obvious to any hunter tring to do 25 mans, but being able to cc reliably makes you a popular hunter
I'm looking for a new guild too at the moment, although 1 step higher (start of T6 content) and what i have done/had to do is apply crossrealm.
edit:
not in raids anymore, there is pretty much zero trapping in 2 man raids.
For that you need to deliver Dps, lots of Dps. :)
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 6:53pm by Aethien
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concolor wrote:
not that I've tried to get into raiding guilds, but the invites I've gotten have largely been because of my trapping. might be obvious to any hunter tring to do 25 mans, but being able to cc reliably makes you a popular hunter
For that you need to deliver Dps, lots of Dps. :)
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 6:53pm by Aethien
Some nitpicky things that I'd notice were you to app to my guild:
- No RED in your helm. That's huge. At your gear level, my offhand guess would be that the gem alone would be equivalent to +50ap or more.
- Still need another 16 hit rating to be capped - either regem, regear, or be sure you're using hit rating food.
- Regem agility instead of AP
- Gloves have expertise rating, useless to a hunter
- Trinkets are workable but not ideal
- Your weapon is too fast for a 3:2 rotation and too slow for a 1:1, assuming you don't have horrible latency. You either want a weapon that's about 2.1 speed (for 3:2) or 1.8/1.9 (for 1:1).
- No idea about your pet. Make sure it's a ravager.
Chainchugging fel mana pots is always a good way to get on a guild's good side, and be sure you're fully potted for any fight (either Major Agility + Major Mageblood or a flask).
Don't be afraid to app to guilds even if they don't explicitly say they're recruiting hunters. Put out good damage and don't get the group wiped on bosses, and who knows? :p
EDIT: Whoops, and your Xbow has straight +dmg instead of 28 crit, and gloves should have +15 agility instead of AP. Except that you need to replace both.
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 12:08pm by lsfreak
Edited, Apr 28th 2008 11:46pm by lsfreak
- No RED in your helm. That's huge. At your gear level, my offhand guess would be that the gem alone would be equivalent to +50ap or more.
- Still need another 16 hit rating to be capped - either regem, regear, or be sure you're using hit rating food.
- Regem agility instead of AP
- Gloves have expertise rating, useless to a hunter
- Trinkets are workable but not ideal
- Your weapon is too fast for a 3:2 rotation and too slow for a 1:1, assuming you don't have horrible latency. You either want a weapon that's about 2.1 speed (for 3:2) or 1.8/1.9 (for 1:1).
- No idea about your pet. Make sure it's a ravager.
Chainchugging fel mana pots is always a good way to get on a guild's good side, and be sure you're fully potted for any fight (either Major Agility + Major Mageblood or a flask).
Don't be afraid to app to guilds even if they don't explicitly say they're recruiting hunters. Put out good damage and don't get the group wiped on bosses, and who knows? :p
EDIT: Whoops, and your Xbow has straight +dmg instead of 28 crit, and gloves should have +15 agility instead of AP. Except that you need to replace both.
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 12:08pm by lsfreak
Edited, Apr 28th 2008 11:46pm by lsfreak
yeah, I just got the Saberclaw, which took my hit below max and I haven't regemmed yet.
I'm 25 boj's from the new X-bow. I'll get the stabilizer on it once I get it, didn't want to blow the gold on the steelhawk.
I know my trinkets need upgraded.
I'm 25 boj's from the new X-bow. I'll get the stabilizer on it once I get it, didn't want to blow the gold on the steelhawk.
I know my trinkets need upgraded.
lsfreak wrote:
- Your weapon is too fast for a 3:2 rotation and too slow for a 1:1, assuming you don't have horrible latency. You either want a weapon that's about 2.1 speed (for 3:2) or 1.8/1.9 (for 1:1).
He should be using Agi gems and enchants not AP Isfreak. Also with the haste he has the 2.8 speed weapon is fine. The badge crossbow will of course be a huge upgrade. Actually 2.8 speed unhasted is pretty much ideal for the 3:2. 2.9 also works fine.
I'd say you'd be all right for going into SSC, just find a guild that needs hunters. Apply places and be willing to be a spare at first. The badge gear will give you a nice boost so go for that. Also do some pvp, the epics from that will give you a nice boost as well.
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 1:16pm by Xsarus
I'd say you'd be all right for going into SSC, just find a guild that needs hunters. Apply places and be willing to be a spare at first. The badge gear will give you a nice boost so go for that. Also do some pvp, the epics from that will give you a nice boost as well.
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 1:16pm by Xsarus
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lsfreak wrote:
- Attack power gems instead of Agility
EDIT: Whoops, and your Xbow has straight +dmg instead of 28 crit, and gloves should have +15 agility instead of AP. Except that you need to replace both.
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 12:08pm by lsfreak
EDIT: Whoops, and your Xbow has straight +dmg instead of 28 crit, and gloves should have +15 agility instead of AP. Except that you need to replace both.
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 12:08pm by lsfreak
Nice topic and discussion. I'm a long ways away from 70 content but could someone explain this to me. You say to gem AP instead of agility, but to put agility on the gloves instead of AP. Whats the thinking behind these 2 statements?
uhh nevermind, I think Xsarus cleared it up for me.
Edited, Apr 24th 2008 3:39pm by zebug
That was lousy wording on my part, what I meant was never gem AP. I was pointing out that he had AP gems instead of agility, which is non-ideal, but it kinda looks like I'm saying that he should have AP instead of agility. Reworded.
I was under the impression that 2.0 speed was pushing too fast for a straight 3:2 and a little slower was ideal. Of course, it depends on your ping, and I have pretty jumpy ping most of the time, so that could be it (I'll jump between 250ms and 30ms in the course of a single Mind Flay).
I was under the impression that 2.0 speed was pushing too fast for a straight 3:2 and a little slower was ideal. Of course, it depends on your ping, and I have pretty jumpy ping most of the time, so that could be it (I'll jump between 250ms and 30ms in the course of a single Mind Flay).
Wait are you really putting out ~800dps+ on average? If so then I must be doing something wrong because I have similar (if not better) PvE gear on my hunt and I can barely break 700 when not raid buffed. The only reason I can think this might be is bad shot rotation maybe combined with poor latency but im 41/20 BM and pretty much machine gun auto/steady rotation and average 200 latency. IS latency really THAT important when it comes to dps as a hunter?
Sorry I really didnt mean to take attention away from the OP but this is really bothering me because I feel my dps could be better and I too am in a similar situation where my guild is barely starting SSC/TK and there are WAY too many hunters who are not committed to improving and progression. I only stay because I really like the GMs and some of the senior members.
Sorry I really didnt mean to take attention away from the OP but this is really bothering me because I feel my dps could be better and I too am in a similar situation where my guild is barely starting SSC/TK and there are WAY too many hunters who are not committed to improving and progression. I only stay because I really like the GMs and some of the senior members.
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I'm having similar problems trying to find a guild. It seems that there isn't a great deal of understanding of how to gear for the survival spec. I've put my gear through cheekys spreadsheet and raidbuffed and with a shammy totem i'm at around 1200dps and 253 average on expose weakness (and that's using my current pvp/heroic spec), but people take one look at the blues i've still got and decline my aplications.
I've got 108 badges at the moment and was saving for the xbow, but am tempted to get the badge chest, respec bm and use romeos posion vial and violet signet and wolfslayer sniper rifle just so I don't scare off recruiters with my remaining blue items. (i'll be upgrading my jc trinket to the epic version in the next couple of days and only have the +18 stamina gem because i've been pvping for some upgrades)
Is this a sensilbe approach or should i just keep plugging away hoping for a guild that understands the survival spec.
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Alonsus&n=Redken
One of the best ways to find a good guild is to run heroics and really chat it up with the people you run with. It can take a while, but if you ask the right questions, and say the right things you may find that perfect match. It's worked for me twice now.
On top of that, take a look at WoWJutsu to get an idea of what guilds are at your level. It never hurts to send in an application to the guild. Even if they don't take you right away, they may remember you and send you a tell if something opens up.
On top of that, take a look at WoWJutsu to get an idea of what guilds are at your level. It never hurts to send in an application to the guild. Even if they don't take you right away, they may remember you and send you a tell if something opens up.
greengimp wrote:
if you want to get into a better guild you are gonna need to get better gear, my hunter does not have on anything past kara and i normally break 1k dps in 5-man, and 1.1-1.2k in kara. You still have on the green hit trinket and the sh*tty crit one from hellfire.
Spend some time and farm badges get the new flower bow, and fix your trinkets. Look into grinding some rep and replacing those blue bracers with the vindicator's one.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Greengimp
Spend some time and farm badges get the new flower bow, and fix your trinkets. Look into grinding some rep and replacing those blue bracers with the vindicator's one.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Blade%27s+Edge&n=Greengimp
You're only wearing one piece of Kara gear--Garona's Signet. Everything else is S3 and badge gear, which is considerably better than anything available in Karazhan. You would do well in SSC/TK, and if this site http://be.imba.hu/ has any accuracy (which is debatable), you might be able to do Hyjal/BT as well.
The OP could get into an SSC/TK guild. I'm not saying he doesn't need upgrades from earlier raids, but he could get in.
Hikuu wrote:
Wait are you really putting out ~800dps+ on average? If so then I must be doing something wrong because I have similar (if not better) PvE gear on my hunt and I can barely break 700 when not raid buffed. The only reason I can think this might be is bad shot rotation maybe combined with poor latency but im 41/20 BM and pretty much machine gun auto/steady rotation and average 200 latency. IS latency really THAT important when it comes to dps as a hunter?
Yes, it can be for a BM hunter.
What weapon are you using? That might determine what shot rotation to use (1:1 or 3:2) and lead to more DPS. If you're using something too fast, that could be a problem too.
If you want to fix your latency, consider disabling your Nagle algorithm. Here's how: http://forums.tkasomething.com/showthread.php?t=11151
Yes, 2.3 was supposed to fix this, but I've tried it since then and my latency dropped from 200ms to 35-50ms.
Herbnosis wrote:
Hikuu wrote:
Wait are you really putting out ~800dps+ on average? If so then I must be doing something wrong because I have similar (if not better) PvE gear on my hunt and I can barely break 700 when not raid buffed. The only reason I can think this might be is bad shot rotation maybe combined with poor latency but im 41/20 BM and pretty much machine gun auto/steady rotation and average 200 latency. IS latency really THAT important when it comes to dps as a hunter?
Yes, it can be for a BM hunter.
What weapon are you using? That might determine what shot rotation to use (1:1 or 3:2) and lead to more DPS. If you're using something too fast, that could be a problem too.
If you want to fix your latency, consider disabling your Nagle algorithm. Here's how: http://forums.tkasomething.com/showthread.php?t=11151
Yes, 2.3 was supposed to fix this, but I've tried it since then and my latency dropped from 200ms to 35-50ms.
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Edited, Apr 29th 2008 7:01pm by Hikuu
lsfreak wrote:
That was lousy wording on my part, what I meant was never gem AP.
Even that needs to be qualified. While running Kara AP and while Kara drops are upgrades stacking AP is the better option. Once you've got a handful of Kara drops and/or some BoJ gear then it starts making more sense to stack AGI over AP.
Kompera wrote:
lsfreak wrote:
That was lousy wording on my part, what I meant was never gem AP.
Even that needs to be qualified. While running Kara AP and while Kara drops are upgrades stacking AP is the better option. Once you've got a handful of Kara drops and/or some BoJ gear then it starts making more sense to stack AGI over AP.
It's widely accepted that once you hit about 300 tooltip DPS, Agility will begin to give a tiny bit more DPS. The reason for this is because 1 agility gives 1 AP and .025% crit. Crit increases your DPS by percentages rather than a flat 1 DPS for 14 AP.
And it's REALLY easy to get 300 tooltip DPS in dungeon blues/early kara purples.
Not to mention, Agility scales with kings. Attack Power does not. If you're trying to do 25-man raids, it's pretty safe to assume you'll at least have 2 pally buffs- Kings and Might.
Agility is the better option for any hunter getting into 25-mans.
ProjectMidnight wrote:
It's widely accepted that once you hit about 300 tooltip DPS, Agility will begin to give a tiny bit more DPS. The reason for this is because 1 agility gives 1 AP and .025% crit. Crit increases your DPS by percentages rather than a flat 1 DPS for 14 AP.
And it's REALLY easy to get 300 tooltip DPS in dungeon blues/early kara purples.
It may be widely accepted, but my calculations do not support that position. Tooltip DPS is not a solid metric, other considerations such as weapon speed have more of an impact on real DPS.
ProjectMidnight wrote:
Not to mention, Agility scales with kings. Attack Power does not. If you're trying to do 25-man raids, it's pretty safe to assume you'll at least have 2 pally buffs- Kings and Might.
Agility is the better option for any hunter getting into 25-mans.
Agility is the better option for any hunter getting into 25-mans.
The OP is in Kara currently, which is a 10 man raid. In 25 person content you can be pretty much guaranteed of having at least Kings, Paw, etc. In Kara, in my experience at least, the raid buffs vary wildly. One run you might have a Mage, the next, no Mage. The same for any other class, including Paladins and Druids.
If you have a Guild with a regular Paladin and Druid raider, and you are a regular Hunter raider, then things might be different for you. But if you have a typical Guild with a pile of raiders of various classes, you can't count on Kings, Paw, or any other buff. In that case, AP is your best bet. AP scales all of your shots and your Pet. Once you hit 25 person content, AGI becomes the better option due to a combination of gear improvements and raid buffs.
I'm confused on one point, however. Where is TidusBlue posting his Armory for people to comment on? I don't see it.
I took my armory out...
The main reason for this is because I don't want my current guild to know I'm guild shopping and kicking me out.
As for a lot of the posts... I realize that my trinkets are the weakest part of my armor. Actually since I took my armory out I'm now 4/5 T4 and have the 2.4 Xbow. I've re-gemmed the chest to +8AGI in all three sockets and I re-gemmed some to get my hit back up...
When I posted the original post I wasn't expecting a gear critique, mainly because I had just gotten a few pickups and it took my hit from 20 over optimal, to 20 below, and I hadn't gemmed to fix that yet.
I've been running, and was running before this post, BM to try and get the hourglass, and now that I've got my xbow I'm working on getting badges for the Bloodlust brooch.
hell with it, here's my armory:
armory
I know that I need to put Stab. Et. Scope on my bow... if anyone has 550g laying around I'd be happy to go and get it... until then, it's still better then my steelhawk.
The main reason for this is because I don't want my current guild to know I'm guild shopping and kicking me out.
As for a lot of the posts... I realize that my trinkets are the weakest part of my armor. Actually since I took my armory out I'm now 4/5 T4 and have the 2.4 Xbow. I've re-gemmed the chest to +8AGI in all three sockets and I re-gemmed some to get my hit back up...
When I posted the original post I wasn't expecting a gear critique, mainly because I had just gotten a few pickups and it took my hit from 20 over optimal, to 20 below, and I hadn't gemmed to fix that yet.
I've been running, and was running before this post, BM to try and get the hourglass, and now that I've got my xbow I'm working on getting badges for the Bloodlust brooch.
hell with it, here's my armory:
armory
I know that I need to put Stab. Et. Scope on my bow... if anyone has 550g laying around I'd be happy to go and get it... until then, it's still better then my steelhawk.
Well, even if you weren't expecting a gear critique, that's the best way to judge how good someone knows their stuff. You can usually glance at a person's gear, drop a few hints on what they could do to improve, and then judge their reaction to figure out if they're worth taking as an app or not. At least, that's what I do.
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