Weapon Enchants?Follow

Windfury is by far the best imbue we have, because it scales with enhancement gear (and, because of that, numbers can only be generated based on a specific toon's gear). Use flametongue as resto/ele, and use rockbiter if you're undergeared. Frostband has limited uses, as you're sacrificing damage for the slowing effect; I only use it in PvP.

I think I am just to new to see this, but:

If every 14 attack = 1 dps (pulled from Wowwiki)

and at level 70 the windfury enchantment gives 445 bonus attack to whatever you have, that is an increase of 32 dps on windfury hits.

So if you had a weapon that had a damage rating of 20 and a delay of 2, unmodified you would have 10 dps, without adding in your attack, str, gear mods, etc. (I think)

So ignoring your own stats and gear, you would have a dps of 42 for each windfury weapon hit.

With a delay of 2, you would hit 30 times a minute, ignoring the windfury hits.

If 20% (6 hits) of those triggered windfury hits you would get an additional 18 hits.

So 37.5% of your hits are 42 dps, and 62.5% of your hits are 10 dps.

Therefore:

(.375min x 60sec/min)(42 damage/sec) + (.625min x 60sec)(10 damage/sec) = total damge in a min. = 945 damage + 375 damage = 1320 damage

If we now take the example of Rockbiter at level 70, which gives +62 dps all the time we get:

(1.0 min x 60sec/min.)(72 damage/sec) = total damage in a min. = 4320 damage in 1 min.

So where am I thinking incorrectly here, I have given the windfury enchant a HUGE bonus by simply ignoring the fact that it takes time for the additional swings, and it still comes up very short.

What am I missing as a newbling?

I think your biggest problem is that you're not using an appropriate estimate for a lvl 70's weapon damage and attack power. Each windfury proc is really 3 hits, 2 of which have bonus AP. If your normal hits don't do much, windfury doesn't help much. If they do a lot, it helps a lot.

If you have an attack power of about 1400 (starting/early kara) and a weapon that does about 87DPS at 2.5 speed (big bad wolf's paw), then each windfury hits once at 187DPS and twice at 219DPS (625DPS). If 20% of your hits are windfury hits (although it's a bit more complicated than that) you're doing 625 dps 20% of the time and 187DPS 80% of the time for 272.5DPS. With rockbiter you're doing (187+62) 249 DPS. As your AP gets higher, your windfury continues to improve, but rockbiter only adds 62dps.

Also, Windfury is better for keeping up unrelenting rage and shamanistic focus as 3 hits per swing is 3 chances to crit. You want to keep those up.

Edited, Apr 24th 2008 4:12pm by nimrokon

I can see where you guys are coming from. I agree that I will of course be hitting a lot harder. The problem is that nothing that has been brought up here shows any math that indicates that you will actually do more damage hitting 3 times. Even with weapons doing more damage, the fact of the matter is that you are only adding 445 attack power, which is the same as 32 dps. With Liberal time constraints Rockbiter is winning by a landslide.

My question specifically is: What am I doing wrong with my math that this is the outcome?

If I increase the weapon damage and attack power to 5000 each, I will still have Rockbiter winning by rediculous amounts.

So what is it that I am missing?

Edit:

I am only looking at the un-talented version of this, which is probably where my math issues come in. Now that I think about it. I will run the math with Talents included and see if that makes a difference.

Edited, Apr 25th 2008 10:41am by Moonkissed

Thanks Viduus, I thought you needed to use a 2.4 delay weapon to overcome the time taken by the extra swings. The only problem that I have with your equation is that you have a 20% added on but you don't take time into account. So I guess what I am wondering is if you ran a parse using the same gear attack and everything except for the WF and Rockbiter, what would you end up with. I haven't figured out how to get a parser onto WOW yet, mainly cause I am new and am new to Video Game calculations.

I will have to do some math out when I get home, as my boss finds my WOW work to be less important than his suggested work... *******...

Edit:

I looked at your equations again, and I get what you did. You add in damage that will be there 20% of the time. That was my mistake earlier, I only took a minute into account, but over a longer time range the WF will shine like a star compared to the Rockbiter.

Thanks a ton guys!!

Edited, Apr 25th 2008 2:01pm by Moonkissed

Oh man I wish I had read that earlier. I have been using the weapon speed incorrectly the entire time. I thought that the weapon speed was saying: hit/time. However in several of the equations in that post he uses weapon speed as a simple time modifier. If I used that in my original calculations I think I would have been a lot better off.

That would mean that a 100dps weapon with a delay of 4 actually does 400 damage everytime it hits. This means that if you have an extra two hits that are time disassociated from swing speed they will net you much more damage than 2 free hits from a 100 dps weapon with a delay of 1.

I also get how the windfury buff only procs every 3 sec, so if your delay is lower than that, you will have a net loss of windfury proc opportunities.

So in summation for myself:

Windfury weapon with a high damage weapon that has a delay at or exceeding 3.0 seconds will give ideal results because you will gain much more damage per extra hit, as well as a general increase in dps associated with the Attack Power bonus granted.

If you have a fast weapon build such that you will not really benefit from the windfury enchant Rockbiter is the clear winner.

Because the individual procs with faster weapons are weaker and your Stormstrike will be significantly weaker as well. You actually end up losing DPS this way.

Not that I am nitpicking here, but I think that the reason you want a high delay off hand is not really that your WF will proc less, but rather that your Main Hand WF has less of a chance of proc-ing. So The idea is that if your offhand procs, you lose a chance for the mainhand, hardhitting weapon, to proc.

That is the way I read it anyway.

So if you have a 20% chance to WF, you will proc 1 out of 5 hits. If your offhand is 4 of those hits... you will probably WF proc on that instead of your Body-Bagger.

I am pretty sure this very comprehensive post at EJ's will bring a quick end to the debate here.

Also, do keep in mind that the 20% *includes the cooldown*. If you discount all hits inside the cooldown, the proc rate is more like 36%. However, that's only with twin Windfuries - which is another reason why WF with a fast weapon and Flametongue does much less damage, is that your Windfury proc goes from about 36% chance down to 20%.