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#1 Apr 23 2008 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
Im lvl 66 and feral. I really like playing feral especially in pvp, but wasnt sure if resiliance has killed pretty much killed the feral spec.

If I am wrong and resiliance didnt kill the feral tree then what did?


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#2 Apr 23 2008 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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If I am wrong and resiliance didnt kill the feral tree then what did?


HoTs did.

We have zero ways to dispel HoTs or other healing buffs, like Prayer of Mending or Earth Shield. We rely 100% on dealing more damage than our opponent can heal before we die ourselves. This worked in World PvP and old Battlegrounds because you could pick out a target and slowly tear them apart until they had zero mana and could do little more than /beg for their lives.

Now they can heal themselves for all eternity and still do great damage thanks to healing gear now having damage stats as well. Plus you rarely get to be left alone long enough to solo someone in most Battlegrounds.

Can't speak for the Arena, though. I reckon we'd do well as support, probably in a 5v5 match, with a Rogue and Warrior to utilize the Mangle debuff.

World PvP is dead, of course.

Just to give you an example. I managed to find a lone Priest in blue PvP gear (rep gear) guarding the Mage Tower in Eye of the Storm. I unleashed all my awesome fury of the S1 gear I was wearing and he just stood there. She didn't move at all, except to apply Shadow Word: Pain to me, Renew to herself coupled with a Psychic Scream when it was ready. Before I could mash the PvP trinket she'd fired off a 1.5 second 2,000 crit heal and I was back to base one.

While this was going on, she kept Power Word: Shield up and a talent made me take 50% of the damage I dealt to her while the shield stood. I had to shift out and heal twice in the ten minutes I spent on her.

When she was finally low on mana and I saw her health drop and her character move nervously from side to side, four other Horde players spawned at the nearby graveyard and I was toast.

It's not right when a healing class, with a healing talent build, can not only delay their own death at the hand of an overgeared opponent for ten plus minutes, but also deal decent damage in the process.

That's when I realized that I'd gather some gear and go make myself a Restokin.
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#3 Apr 23 2008 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
ALright thanks for the info guess ill just go moonkin for pvp then and get me a nice mage or something as an arena partner.

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#4 Apr 23 2008 at 5:38 PM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
It's not right when a healing class, with a healing talent build, can not only delay their own death at the hand of an overgeared opponent for ten plus minutes, but also deal decent damage in the process.

That's when I realized that I'd gather some gear and go make myself a Restokin.


PvP Healing build. The Discipline spec is designed exactly to be a PvP spec for priests. Holy would be shredded.

Of course, that doesn't mean that Feral isn't gimped in PvP. You guys need help. (I don't mean that in a bad way. <.< )

Edited, Apr 23rd 2008 9:38pm by Raglu
#5 Apr 24 2008 at 12:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't see the feral spec as broken in pvp, nor do i think that we need help. True we have problems with a healing pvp spec like a resto druid, disc priest or resto shammy, but any class will have problems against certain classes spec. That doesn't mean your class/spec is broken, just that you should pick on the classes you have the favor against.

As feral druid go pick on the rogues, hunters and warriors and you'll find that no matter how much resillience they may have you still wear them down. They have no way around your insane hitpoints and armor + your ability to regain hitpoints.

Here i just mentioned the ones i have an easy time kiling. That doesn't mean i can't kill other classes and specs, just that they are more challenging. Any resto/healing type however i leave alone. Sipmly a waste of time to try and kill them. The only time i would go for the healer is when he is healing someone else and i need to interrupt him long enough for my team mates to kill the other guy.
#6 Apr 24 2008 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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All the recent buzz about restokins makes me wanna respec back to my crit chicken just for a week or two. I do miss that overgrown fowl - and that dorky dance move...
#7 Apr 24 2008 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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Mazra, I've had a similar experience against a discipline priest (except it was a smelly, hideous dwarf!). I think part of the problem is that ferals do not have much burst damage. We have excellent survivability and control, with maim, feral charge, bash, roots, ng, cyclone (well, I don't have cyclone quite yet, I'm 69, but I've been cycloned enough to know it's good cc). What we don't have is burst. If my mage watched that priest spamming flash heals he cudda counterspelled him, popped combustion and instanted him to death. My shammy wud have just pounded away until a wf crit took the guy out. But the kitty could only keep hitting for 200-400 damage and then maim after a few combos for 600 or so. I can see why we're not valued in Arena w/out even having done any. Sometimes I feel like a frost mage w/out shatter -- I can dictate the terms of the fight but never close the deal.

Nonetheless, I love my feral in the chaos of a BG. Lord knows I tear up most warriors, hunters, rogues, mages, and moonkin....Like DK said, just avoid the healers....
#8 Apr 24 2008 at 9:17 AM Rating: Good
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Being a Feral Druid is most fun when you're working as support. When someone is punding away on someone else and you are free to Mangle and Shred away, you tear stuff to shreds.

Which is why I spend most of my time in Battlegrounds.
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#9 Apr 28 2008 at 5:10 PM Rating: Good
The worse bit is that they keep throwing in PvP nerfs to reduce the dominance of resto druids, but each of them hurts ferals as well :( (See the new hunter scare beast change on PTR)

We can still PvP, but it is tougher than it should be.

#10 May 05 2008 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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I understand what ur pointing out but there is a way...ofcourse a hard way but it is a way...pounce-mangle-shred if possible then when it fears u trinket out... make sure u got at least one point on the priest...maim and shred...that should have u at least get 50% hp off...then run away change in bear cause the healer will heal now...feral charge...mangle bear and use stun go cat and replied the above..guarentee that u will kill it in seconds instead minutes.
(i got a 70 disc priest and a ******* good drood just did that to me :D)
i was nowhere!
#11 May 06 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Boguz wrote:
I understand what ur pointing out but there is a way...ofcourse a hard way but it is a way...pounce-mangle-shred if possible then when it fears u trinket out... make sure u got at least one point on the priest...maim and shred...that should have u at least get 50% hp off...then run away change in bear cause the healer will heal now...feral charge...mangle bear and use stun go cat and replied the above..guarentee that u will kill it in seconds instead minutes.
(i got a 70 disc priest and a ******* good drood just did that to me :D)
i was nowhere!

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QFT, beat me too it! I was gonna explain that nice almost CC/DPS opener/ender also against healers.
#12 May 07 2008 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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And if the Priest uses the PvP trinket after you use Bash? She'll pop Pain Suppression and a Shield and before you can tear through it (dealing damage to yourself), she'll blow Psychic Scream and a Flash Heal, coupled with Prayer of Mending and Renew.

For the above rotation to work, every single stun/disorient has to hit. A Disc Priest will have Unbreakable Will, which reduces the chance for you to land a succesful stun by 15%. All it takes is one parried/missed/dodged Maim to ruin your combo.
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#13 May 13 2008 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
Its been a long road for me as a feral druid. I like feral druid because its good for both pvp and pve because you can tank or dps and aslo heal. Since I do both I have all the best enchants and gems for dps, than i have my tanking set with all the best defense enchants and gems. When your feral and you wanna arena don't have any resilience gems or anything that boosts it. Your wasting your time if you do because you got bear and healing abilities, so get ap and cirt gems. Even thou i got 40% crit chance and almost 3k ap in cat I still cant get over 1630 rating and thats how it will always be. So if you spec feral don't expect to have high rating teams just have fun. There is also the option of cheapkin that will get you high rating but it takes less skills to play.

Hope this helps a bit
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