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#1 Apr 22 2008 at 2:17 AM Rating: Good
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Hi,
I am levelling a shadow priest (currently 30) and have been doing instances as I level. I don't mind healing, but I am more interested in doing dps, both now and at 70.

My problem comes when I try to find a group that will let me dps. I would much rather get through an instance healing than spend forever trying to find a group that will let me dps, but it feels as if no one will entertain the notion of a shadow priest at my level doing dps.

Even when I find an overpowered group with another healer I still get given the heal/get kicked ultimatum.

I am having a hard time understanding why this is happening - I solo happily with very little downtime and don't feel as if I am lacking in damage output.

It seems as if I am either overestimating the dps that I put out or the players that I encounter don't understand the damage that I can do.

I don't really want to solo to 70 as I need more practice in groups - my druid and 'lock were so easy to solo that I was suckered into doing so at the expense of grouping experience. However, I don't want to heal all the way to 70 at the expense of knowing how to shadow dps in groups.

Could anyone tell me if I am talking nonsense and that I should be healing or if I am just not finding groups with well informed players?

Thank you
#2 Apr 22 2008 at 2:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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The issue isn't that people don't believe that a priest can do damage, its just that groups are a lot harder to find while you're still levelling. Because of this, those that can tank have to tank, those that can heal have to heal. Unless your group has multiple people in it that are capable of healing at the required level you won't have a choice in the matter for the most part.

At the end of the day, you're better off getting general experience in groups, regardless of whether or not it is in a healing role. Either will serve you well.

As for levelling to 70 without any experience in a group role as a damage dealer, you'll pick it up fast once you get there, as it really isn't that much different to solo play in terms of spell usage.
#3 Apr 22 2008 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
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iabrahams wrote:
I don't mind healing, but I am more interested in doing dps, both now and at 70.


Out of curiosity, why did you pick a healing class if you prefer doing DPS?
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#4 Apr 22 2008 at 5:34 AM Rating: Good
Lets not get into the "priests are supposed to heal" argument. If they weren't meant to DPS, the shadow spec wouldn't have been in there.

Shadow priests are very useful. Misery will increase the damage of all caster dps in the group/raid. S-priests also help regen health/mana constantly so there's less downtime during an instance and more healing during a long fight.

Unfortunatey you will have to heal during your levels until your damage is good enough that you can heal just by using Vampiric Embrace (yes it can be done because I do it all the time successfully at level 47).

Edited, Apr 22nd 2008 9:36am by Thilis
#5 Apr 22 2008 at 6:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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It would also be a good idea to let the group know your spec and what you prefer to play prior to joining. If another healer is available in the group then they shouldn't mind letting you dps. If no other healer is available then you will end up healing or you will end up looking for another group.

I experinced this with my Enhance shammy all the time. I would tell the group leader that I was not specced or geared to be the main healer...but I would be happy to off-heal when needed. I made this clear BEFORE accepting any invites. 99% of the groups were cool with that.
#6 Apr 22 2008 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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Just to clarify, I'm not out to bait the OP into anything. I'm just curious as to why he picked a class with healing capabilties if it's not what interests him. Since he's more interested in dealing damage and since he's just level 30, rolling a Warlock might be an option.

I'd hate for him to reach level 70 and still be sour at his class because people expect him to heal. I'd hate it, because I know how it feels.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2008 6:13pm by Mazra
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#7 Apr 22 2008 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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The question of why I picked a priest is a good one.

I do have a warlock and a druid of higher levels, but I also have the occasional urge to try out other classes. I have previously levelled a hunter and a warrior to 30+ (and have a mage in her 50's who has stagnated), partly to see if I liked them and partly to see how they played - so that I could understand the basic abilities of the class better - for both grouping and PvP.

I guess I liked the idea of a supposed healing class being able to deal damage, with the option of healing later on if I change my mind.

I am not super focused on reaching endgame, I just play to amuse myself and sometimes I like to jump around between toons of different classes.

It doesn't wind me up to be asked to heal - unlike on my feral druid (love my kitty) - but I thought people might be more open to the idea of priest dps than I have found them to be.

If it turned out that I really should be healing as I level then it's not a problem, I'll jump on it, but I likes to kill stuff.

Anyway, it might not matter from the 29th. If GTA IV is as good as my wet dreams tell me it will be, I won't have time for more than one toon and that'll have to be my kitty RAWR!

But thank you all for taking the time to reply to my question.
#8 Apr 22 2008 at 12:15 PM Rating: Default
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#9 Apr 22 2008 at 2:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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I predict people being more accepting of your dps when you hit 40 and have the shadowform. Until then, you are a healer with some damage spells. At 40, you will be a damage dealer with some backup healing abilities. Know what I mean?
#10 Apr 22 2008 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, although it isn't full proof you can either
  • get a friend that will roll a healer and have him level with you so that he will always say "I'm Healing"
  • or make friends with a healer and only do instance when he is on so he can say that he is the healer
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    Thank you all for your comments and suggestions, you have given me a lot of things to think about.

    One way or another, I will continue to play my priest.
    #12 Apr 22 2008 at 2:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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    Well....I'm no expert, but I'll add my two cents.

    Yesterday in Slave Pens we had me, holy spec, as main healer and a shadow priest.

    The shadow priest knew her stuff; I believe she at least had another (maybe more) job at least to 70. She had great knowledge of the routes, mobs, what was needed where; and used mind control on several occasions. It's the first time I've been in a group where it was used to that extent.

    It worked because she knew how to use it to mind control a few of the mobs to kill each other so we could get to the bosses. We made it through to the end with only a couple of deaths; one was hers because well...when you come out of that........... *squish(y)*

    That being said; she stated from the get-go that she would come out of shadow when needed to help heal and she didn't need to really hop out of shadow at all, until for one boss.

    I appreciated that. We worked together as a team; I healed her just like I would any other member of the group and I learned alot by working together with her.

    So I would say; if you like the idea that priests are given the ability to deal damage, you don't mind using your great healing capabilities that are standard to all priests when needed ..... then dps away!



    Edited, Apr 22nd 2008 6:57pm by Kassanaomi
    #13 Apr 23 2008 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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    iabrahams wrote:
    Thank you all for your comments and suggestions, you have given me a lot of things to think about.

    One way or another, I will continue to play my priest.


    I wish you good luck. As someone mentioned earlier, once you get the more defining traits of the Shadow Priest, people will start to see you as a damage dealer instead of a healer. Shadowform, Vampiric Embrace and Vampiric Touch most notably will make you a valuable addition to any group, but especially a group with a Paladin tank and Warlocks in it. Curse of Shadows, fully stacked Shadow Weaving and Misery makes for happy Warlocks.

    My Priest is still only level 64, but she's never been brought along to an instance as the main healer. Always as the support caster. I think most lowbies these days are alts of veteran players who know how powerful a Shadow Priest is to a 5-man instance.

    I did have one fella who wanted me to drop Shadowform to heal, despite having a Holy Paladin with us who was doing more than a good job keeping everyone healthy. I had to tell him many times that I'd been healing when needed, he just hadn't seen it because I'm used to playing a Feral Druid and "shifting" is in my blood, so I'd usually drop Shadowform by casting a heal (neat feature) and instantly enter Shadowform again to continue the damage dealing.

    After he had been ranting about my Shadowform affection for a few pulls with zero problems, the rest of the group told him to shut up as we were doing better than any other group they'd been with before.

    Just hang in there and once you hit the higher levels, things will improve. Especially once you get Shadowform. A good thing is to befriend some Warlocks which you can drag along for instance runs. Makes for one hell of a combo, so warn the tank before you pull the first group of mobs.

    Being a Shadow Priest is definitely a fun and interesting role in a 5-man. I'm not sure it's what I want to do in PvP or raids, though, because the playstyle changes so much. You go from being a useful support caster to a useful support caster who has to pop potions like they were candy. And in PvP you'll lose most of your efficiency because healing > damage in most encounters. Can't heal in Shadowform and without Shadowform you lose 15% of your damage.

    But for leveling and 5-mans, it's definitely one of my favorite classes and specs. Not even my Warlock can make up for the fun I have as a support caster. Being able to both deal damage and heal if need be allows for some versatility you rarely see anymore in this game.
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    #14 Apr 23 2008 at 7:00 PM Rating: Default
    Well after tossing and turning and well my hair can only be pulled so much before i scream.SO i'm going to level a Shadow Priest over a druid for the shere fact one i like magic 2 i love dps and healing.being able to rez and heal then kick butt with dps.i think i've found my calling.never really grouped cause well i level warlock until lock gets boring.but as for dps in groups.I believe you could never have enough healers.why waste mana doing dps in a group as a healer when there are so many more that are already doing that.why you are called a priest not a priestlock.:D I've had a priest before but was leveling in the wrong tree.As far as groups go i'll do what the group needs me to do.I've noticed on alot of mmorpg's i've always been a good healer.so hopefully this works.only thing is what professions.My lock already does mining and skinning for the money maker...maybe enchanting or tailoring or...well guess i'll have to figure that out huh.But as a priest and in raids heal your butt off and don't let your team die.Even if the erge to cast that one dps.That one dps could cost the other healers there lives and then the whole groups.Take care.
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