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#1 Apr 19 2008 at 3:28 AM Rating: Decent
so I recently decided to roll a hunter alt. I have tried this before and failed horribly, but oddly, I now am in love with this class. I've done a lot of research online, but I still have a couple of questions that I was hoping that the veteran hunter community could answer for me.

My first question is concerning gear. I know that I am low level (just level 20), but from the guides that I have read, it seems that the best stats are agility and intelligence. I have been trying to stack agility gear as it seems like the most important stat, but I was curious how attack power affected hunters as well. Also, it seems like strength is heavily avoided. Is their a reason for this?

I also have a question concerning pets. Yes, I have visited petopia, but I was wondering, since I will mostly be doing solo quests and the such, I have decided on having a cat pet due to their high dps. What I was wondering was is all pet families (in this case cat) similar or should I be capturing higher level cats as I move into higher level zones?

Since I'll be mostly be doing everything solo, I decided on a BM spec. Of all the specs that I looked at, none of them included the first tier talent that increases the speed of your range attack when aspect of the hawk is active. I do not understand why this is. Is it a threat issue because I have five points in that talent and I think that it procs enough to be an important part of my talent tree.

Thank you for your comments
#2 Apr 19 2008 at 3:56 AM Rating: Good
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Slootah wrote:
My first question is concerning gear. I know that I am low level (just level 20), but from the guides that I have read, it seems that the best stats are agility and intelligence. I have been trying to stack agility gear as it seems like the most important stat, but I was curious how attack power affected hunters as well. Also, it seems like strength is heavily avoided. Is their a reason for this?


Agility and Intelligence are arguably the most important stats for a hunter. Agility is important because it Increases our attack power with ranged weapons and melee weapons.
It also has other benefits:
* Increases armor by 2 per point of Agility.
* Increases Critical Strike Rating by 0.552 (Level 70)
* Increases chance to dodge attacks(25 Agility = +1% Dodge Chance)
But make sure not to focus on just pure agility, because as you level, you may want some Stamina and a bit of Spirit.
For us hunters, 1 Agility = 1 Attack Power. Try aiming for gear ending in 'of the Monkey' (agility/stamina) or 'of the Bandit' (agility/stamina/AP).

Intellect is important because it gives us mana. 1 Intellect = 15 Mana. As a hunter, mana is the source of our DPS. No mana = No DPS. Although, we have Aspect of the viper, it still isn't enough. Mp5 is usally also found on high end gear along with intellect, so aslong as you have an average amount, you're good to go. Also, Strength is the most useless stat for hunters because the only benefit it has for us is that it increases our Melee Attack power. Try avoiding any gear with strength on it, as it is usually for rogues, shammies or druids. Hunters should rarely ever melee, except for a few occasions.

Here is a list of stats, in order of importance (IMO)
1. Agility
2. Intellect (Could be swapped around with Stamina)
3. Stamina (Could be #2)OR Raw Attack Power (Always get Agility over Raw Attack Power)
4. Spirit or MP5
5. Strength (This only affects Melee attack power, so avoid this whenever possible.)

Slootah wrote:
I also have a question concerning pets. Yes, I have visited petopia, but I was wondering, since I will mostly be doing solo quests and the such, I have decided on having a cat pet due to their high dps. What I was wondering was is all pet families (in this case cat) similar or should I be capturing higher level cats as I move into higher level zones?


A cat is a fine choice for a pet. Most pets are similar, and as a low level, you shouldn't be too worried about the DPS differences. Your cat will be leveling as you do, so you won't be needing to tame another cat. Over time and when you're leveling, your pet should gain more training points, in which you can use them to invest in increasing your pets defences and stats. Another pet I would recommend would be a ravager. The ones closest to your level would be the Enraged Ravagers located on Bloodmyst Isle.

Also, your armor rating, Stamina and Raw Attack Power will be shared with your pet. ( Just a fraction of it.)

Slootah wrote:
Since I'll be mostly be doing everything solo, I decided on a BM spec. Of all the specs that I looked at, none of them included the first tier talent that increases the speed of your range attack when aspect of the hawk is active. I do not understand why this is. Is it a threat issue because I have five points in that talent and I think that it procs enough to be an important part of my talent tree.


Well, the reason that most specs don't include the Imp Aspect of the hawk is because it increases your ranged attack speed. This may not apply to you before level 70, but end-game hunters use a shot rotation. This shot rotation may compile of Steady shots, Arcane shots, auto shots and a lot of others, depending on the hunter. The hunter follows this Shot rotation during all his battles and a little bit of Haste or extra attack speed may ruin the rotation or clip the autoshot which may lower your DPS. Since you're not raiding yet, you may as well keep this talent until you hit a higher level.


Edited, Apr 19th 2008 8:34am by Romordi
#3 Apr 19 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Good
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There's some bad info mixed in there with the good romordi.

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But make sure not to focus on just pure agility, because as you level, you may want some Stamina and a bit of Spirit.


Spirit is as useless as tits on a mule.

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Here is a list of stats, in order of importance (IMO)
1. Agility
2. Intellect (Could be swapped around with Stamina)
3. Stamina (Could be #2)OR Raw Attack Power (Always get Agility over Raw Attack Power)
4. Spirit or MP5
5. Strength (This only affects Melee attack power, so avoid this whenever possible.)


While level Raw AP gives more DPS than agility. It isn't until end-game where agility catches up and that is only because it adds to your crit as well which is much harder to come by than AP while raiding.

While leveling through Azeroth I would go with:
AP
AGI
Crit
STAM/INT

By the time you get to OL you should have a better understanding of what you're doing and the gear upgrades should be reasonably obvious (though not usually with weapons GG Blizz (as Cheeky would say "This is due to our continued ****** up mechanics"))

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Well, the reason that most specs don't include the Imp Aspect of the hawk is because it increases your ranged attack speed. This may not apply to you before level 70, but end-game hunters use a shot rotation. This shot rotation may compile of Steady shots, Arcane shots, auto shots and a lot of others, depending on the hunter. The hunter follows this Shot rotation during all his battles and a little bit of Haste or extra attack speed may ruin the rotation or clip the autoshot which may lower your DPS. Since you're not raiding yet, you may as well keep this talent until you hit a higher level.


I've seen very few builds without Imp AoTH. The last I heard it was around a 5% increase in DPS. When you're leveling and even more of your DPS comes off of white attacks it would be an even greater boost I would suspect. I know as survival my DPS spikes when it procs. There is no way it couldn't as BM either unless you were very laggy, or had an incredibly fast weapon.
#4 Apr 21 2008 at 2:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Please take no notice of the praise for intellect , Yes some is needed , but first is Agility , Second is Stamina , then as you do need Manna some intellect and spirit will help ,At level 70 using the standard Auto+Steady rotation with admittedly a small amount of Intellect i almost never need to drink , Others here can explain or have explained much better than i can what amount of intellect you need but my way is if i am running out of manna all the time i look for something with a little more intellect or i change the shots i use..

Your health and the Pets bonus for your armour and your stamina are all that matters , You can admittedly slower than by using all the spell shots get to 70 just by using Auto Shot with little manna usage except for Mend Pet..

Attack power is useful but not that important above the main stats at low level , Better to survive i think than to be a hard hitter and die a lot.

Strength is only good if you want to become a Melee Hunter , That is why it is not useful over agility or stamina then intellect and spirit for the manna pool and the regeneration of your manna.


Any pet will level with you , Every two levels visit both the Hunter trainer and the Pet trainer,But you will need to learn higher levels of Bite and Claw or whatever your pet of choice uses (do not use cower though it is almost never ever any use ), so you will need to tame temporary pets to learn the higher skills so you can train your original pet.

As for Talents , Well others have answered well in the top two posts but i guess it needs a reply.

First 0-5 points go Endurance Training , your health and the pets are top Priority.

Second 6-10 points i would go Thick Hide and Focused Fire , That gives more damage plus Pets get More tanking ability..

Third 11-15 points Go Into Unleashed Fury 20% extra Pet damage must be good..


That should get you up to speed as a hunter , unless others here disagree ??

All the answers are there in the top two posts which i thank the experts for ..
#5 Apr 21 2008 at 9:51 AM Rating: Good
Just a couple of notes...

sandralover wrote:
Strength is only good if you want to become a Melee Hunter , That is why it is not useful over agility or stamina then intellect and spirit for the manna pool and the regeneration of your manna.

Spirit is just as useless to a hunter as strength. It's another stat that should be avoided as much as possible.

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Second 6-10 points i would go Thick Hide and Focused Fire , That gives more damage plus Pets get More tanking ability..

Focused Fire is good but really only comes to its full power when you get the Kill Command ability at level 66. Until then, the Focused Fire talent can pretty much be ignored while leveling up and saved for the high sixties.
#6 Apr 21 2008 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Also some food for thought, consider that basically your pet is a mini-tank and should be taking the bulk of the damage. The more threat or dps it can put out the better for you as you are less likely to pull aggro. DPS pets are the way to go.

If you have a cool kitty, keep it. It will level with you and become stronger, more powerful with you as you level. When you get to outland, people will trip out on the old school pet. :) Allmost everyone at lvl 70 has all outland pets... wich after awhile is pretty boring.

Stat wise; I tend to go a little less stam. and a little more agi. or ap. because I know that if I do pull aggro I can play dead, wipe aggro and start over with out getting slammed on. Feign death and later on, Misdirection are huge helpers in keeping the bad guys off yer jock. "...of the falcon" gear is pretty rockin'. Keep your eye out for it.
#7 Apr 23 2008 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for putting me right on Spirit but i thought with the last patch Spirit was now working for Hunters ?..

Or is it just Intellect needed ? i have found that with a Spirit buff on top of my standard level 70 amount of spirit i seem to regenerate manna between mobs faster or am i just dreaming that ??
#8 Apr 23 2008 at 1:45 AM Rating: Decent
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sandralover wrote:
Thanks for putting me right on Spirit but i thought with the last patch Spirit was now working for Hunters ?..

Or is it just Intellect needed ? i have found that with a Spirit buff on top of my standard level 70 amount of spirit i seem to regenerate manna between mobs faster or am i just dreaming that ??

You aren't dreaming. Int gives you a larger mana pool, SPI gives you a faster mana regen out of combat. In combat at 20th level you're probably spending mana on something in any given 5 seconds and won't be doing any mana regeneration.

The recent change actually hurt your mana regen, as it was an overall buff for mana regen but the scaling made it a nerf for those with lower SPI totals. Such as Hunters. And Shaman. But regardless of how SPI works for you now you'll still do better to stack your AP and AGI (and Hit Rating where you can find it) and pretty much just let INT and SPI come along for the ride if they happen to be on a piece of gear you find. At 20th level you're not going to see any advantage by fiddling with your SPI totals looking to get above the point at which you'll see faster mana regen than you would have prior to the patch. I'm not even sure that would be possible, but if it is I'd wager that you'd be pretty gimped as a damage dealer.
#9 Apr 23 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Decent
I, too, love the hunter class. I've rolled other toons but keep coming back to my hunters time and again.

I'm BM specced and I've been given the advice to go for gear that increases 1) agility and 2) stamina (anything that ends with 'of the Monkey' or 'of the Bandit' is a good choice.) Intellect is the third criteria I consider when selecting gear. It may be that if you spec MM or Survival that intellect should come before stamina.

As for your choice of pets, I've been able to solo quite effectively to lvl 60 with a cat - or actually several cats. In order to learn some new abilities you are going to need to upgrade your cat as you go along. For example, the Shadowmaw Panther in STV will teach you prowl and dash - both nice to have. If you favor cats, at some point you may also want to tame a Shardtooth bear in Winterspring to learn claw lvl 7. Bears are also supposed to be awesome tanks. How often you upgrade is really a matter of choice. Each time you tame a new pet you need to gain their loyalty, which is a bit of a pain but worth it if you want to learn a particular ability or have a penchant for a specific pet.





Edited, Apr 23rd 2008 2:49pm by katluvr
#10 Apr 23 2008 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the info on spirit many thanks , i was thinking of enchanting spirit or adding it in some way but i guess int is as you say better for manna.. my manna is no problem in a group with buffs but single play i do get through manna faster than i would like, I am about to change some pieces of armour i have as they are not level 70 pieces but i am going to check up with the experts list on what to get next as it is easier to do that than try to find stuff on my own that is better..

katluvr why do you keep changing cats ? all you do is stable your original cat and pick up a disposable pet if needed , find the next cat or whatever beast has the skills you need to upgrade your own pets skills go kill a few mobs until you learn the new skill and train your old pet , far easier than having to gain loyalty i would think.

I have tried all the pet families there are at all levels and i go only by looks ,

i have two hunters with the unique coloured tall striders , i have one with the ghost saber another with a plaguelands boar , i have a windserpent and a warpstalker , and each hunter has a second pet except for my level 70 hunter which has three , all in all i see no reason to change my pets as i picked them for their looks ..

Edited, Apr 23rd 2008 5:51pm by sandralover
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