I know Mana Burn is a Discipline spell, but the tooltip for Shadow Weaving says:
Your Shadow damage spells have a 100% chance to cause your target to be vulnerable to Shadow damage. This vulnerability increases the Shadow damage dealt to your target by 2% and lasts 15 seconds. Stacks up to 5 times.
Since Mana Burn burns.. mana.. and then does Shadow damage equal to half the amount of mana burned, shouldn't the Shadow damage from Mana Burn activate Shadow Weaving?
And why is Mana Burn a Discipline spell in the first place? It does Shadow damage.
Edited, Apr 18th 2008 8:36pm by Mazra
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I know what you're saying,
but the technical aspect of it is that Mana Burn's effect is that it damages the target's mana, and for every 2 points of mana lost by that, the target loses 1 point of health. This is different from damaging the target's health, and losing 2 points of mana for every one point of health--different in the order.
It is also because of this that Mana Burn does not scale with spell damage.
but the technical aspect of it is that Mana Burn's effect is that it damages the target's mana, and for every 2 points of mana lost by that, the target loses 1 point of health. This is different from damaging the target's health, and losing 2 points of mana for every one point of health--different in the order.
It is also because of this that Mana Burn does not scale with spell damage.
I know the damage is based on the amount of mana burned, but if you read the tooltip for Mana Burn (Rank 1):
Destroy 191 to 203 mana from a target. For each mana destroyed in this way, the target takes 0.5 Shadow damage.
It doesn't say "loses 0.5 health," it says "takes 0.5 Shadow damage." I know what you mean, but if the tooltip says it's Shadow damage, shouldn't it be counted as a Shadow damage spell?
Edited, Apr 18th 2008 9:52pm by Mazra
Destroy 191 to 203 mana from a target. For each mana destroyed in this way, the target takes 0.5 Shadow damage.
It doesn't say "loses 0.5 health," it says "takes 0.5 Shadow damage." I know what you mean, but if the tooltip says it's Shadow damage, shouldn't it be counted as a Shadow damage spell?
Edited, Apr 18th 2008 9:52pm by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mana Burn *is* in the Shadow school of magic; that's what its resists are calculated from, and something that locks out your Shadow spells locks out Mana Burn.
But the calculation that determines its damage is independent of that. It's based entirely on the amount of mana that is burned, and *nothing* changes that (except Resilience).
See, it's not a "Shadow damage spell"; it's a Shadow-school spell that has a certain effect that happens to do damage at the end.
As to why it's in the Discipline portion of your book, all Discipline spells get divvied up. There's no "Discipline" school of magic, so your Discipline spells have to fit into one of the other schools. Most of them, notably Shield, are tucked into the Holy school; this one is in the Shadow school.
But the calculation that determines its damage is independent of that. It's based entirely on the amount of mana that is burned, and *nothing* changes that (except Resilience).
See, it's not a "Shadow damage spell"; it's a Shadow-school spell that has a certain effect that happens to do damage at the end.
As to why it's in the Discipline portion of your book, all Discipline spells get divvied up. There's no "Discipline" school of magic, so your Discipline spells have to fit into one of the other schools. Most of them, notably Shield, are tucked into the Holy school; this one is in the Shadow school.
So Mana Burn is actually a Shadow-school spell, resistance is built on Shadow resistance and spell locks will lock down the Shadow magic school, but the spell isn't considered a Shadow damage spell.
And Power Word: Shield is a Holy-school spell and spell lock would lock down the Holy magic school, but the spell isn't considered a Holy spell since you can cast it in Shadowform.
The programmers must've been drunk.
Edit: Fixed. Thanks, Raglu.
Edited, Apr 19th 2008 2:55pm by Mazra
And Power Word: Shield is a Holy-school spell and spell lock would lock down the Holy magic school, but the spell isn't considered a Holy spell since you can cast it in Shadowform.
The programmers must've been drunk.
Edit: Fixed. Thanks, Raglu.
Edited, Apr 19th 2008 2:55pm by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
So Mana Burn is actually a Shadow-school spell, resistance is built on Shadow resistance and spell locks will lock down the Shadow magic school, but the spell isn't considered a Shadow damage spell.
Yes.
Mazra wrote:
And Power Word: Shield is a Holy-school spell and spell lock would lock down the Holy magic school, but the spell isn't considered a Holy spell since you can cast it in Shadowform.
Yes.
Mazra wrote:
The programmers must've been drunk.
Yes.
Mazra wrote:
The programmers must've been drunk.
Edit: Fixed. Thanks, Raglu.
Edited, Apr 19th 2008 2:55pm by Mazra
Edit: Fixed. Thanks, Raglu.
Edited, Apr 19th 2008 2:55pm by Mazra
hence my sig, you win!
It seems Blizzard is lurking these boards, or maybe someone just reported it to them.
Mana Burn now stacks Shadow Weaving. I used a Vampiric Touch, Shadow Word: Pain and two Mana Burns on a Shienor Sorcerer in Terokkar Forest and it had 4x Shadow Weaving on when it died.
Mana Burn also seems to benefit from Vampiric Touch as I received mana from casting Mana Burn on the Sorcerer. Just like I received health from Vampiric Embrace from the shadow damage dealt by Mana Burn.
Edited, May 21st 2008 9:17pm by Mazra
Mana Burn now stacks Shadow Weaving. I used a Vampiric Touch, Shadow Word: Pain and two Mana Burns on a Shienor Sorcerer in Terokkar Forest and it had 4x Shadow Weaving on when it died.
Mana Burn also seems to benefit from Vampiric Touch as I received mana from casting Mana Burn on the Sorcerer. Just like I received health from Vampiric Embrace from the shadow damage dealt by Mana Burn.
Edited, May 21st 2008 9:17pm by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
It seems Blizzard is lurking these boards, or maybe someone just reported it to them.
Mana Burn now stacks Shadow Weaving. I used a Vampiric Touch, Shadow Word: Pain and two Mana Burns on a Shienor Sorcerer in Terokkar Forest and it had 4x Shadow Weaving on when it died.
Mana Burn also seems to benefit from Vampiric Touch as I received mana from casting Mana Burn on the Sorcerer. Just like I received health from Vampiric Embrace from the shadow damage dealt by Mana Burn.
Edited, May 21st 2008 9:17pm by Mazra
Mana Burn now stacks Shadow Weaving. I used a Vampiric Touch, Shadow Word: Pain and two Mana Burns on a Shienor Sorcerer in Terokkar Forest and it had 4x Shadow Weaving on when it died.
Mana Burn also seems to benefit from Vampiric Touch as I received mana from casting Mana Burn on the Sorcerer. Just like I received health from Vampiric Embrace from the shadow damage dealt by Mana Burn.
Edited, May 21st 2008 9:17pm by Mazra
Awesome to know, thanks for the update. Stealth buff or did I just not read the patch notes carefully enough?
I think I glanced over this thread, meant to reply, and never did.
Mana Burn has stacked Shadow Weaving for me for months. First really noticed it when I started 2v2 last in Season 2. Didn't actually know about VT/VE and whether it worked, but that's a bit less important to me so I can see why I missed it.
Thanks for the confirmation :D
Mana Burn has stacked Shadow Weaving for me for months. First really noticed it when I started 2v2 last in Season 2. Didn't actually know about VT/VE and whether it worked, but that's a bit less important to me so I can see why I missed it.
Thanks for the confirmation :D
lsfreak wrote:
Mana Burn has stacked Shadow Weaving for me for months.
That's really odd, because at the time I wrote the original post, I had tested, double-tested and triple-tested it just to be sure. Maybe there was something else to it then. Like a talent respec glitch or something, because I shuffled talent builds quite heavily back then. Maybe unlearning Shadow Weaving and learning it again caused some issues with Mana Burn.
I just know that it didn't work before and now it does. In any case, I'm a happy panda.
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