So I have leveled a prot pally for 1-70 and a ret from 1-70 really like both of them and both fill needs for me and my guild atm. My tank is one of the guilds MT's and my ret does my farming and dailys and does it very well.
The problem I am having now is that the guild I just joined is looking for class leaders I have done a lot of homework for prot and ret pallys but dont really know much about holy. I respeced my tank to holy once for areana and just really sucked at it healing that is. For me to get a good understanding of holy pallys should I level a third pally as holy or just try to do a lot of readying to get to know the holy aspect of a pally.
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holy christ, there is a respec NPC for a reason.
I think if I said I was gonna lvl another pally, my gf would kill me. She saw me lvl as holy, and how slow that was compared to her mage...
If I said I was gonna lvl 2 pallies, I think I'd be sleeping in the garage until they were 70 :/
On a side note, I'm finally starting to get other guildren interested in doing some of the old world raids and have started getting people attuned for Naxx and Onyxia in addition to ZG :)
Cheers :)
If I said I was gonna lvl 2 pallies, I think I'd be sleeping in the garage until they were 70 :/
On a side note, I'm finally starting to get other guildren interested in doing some of the old world raids and have started getting people attuned for Naxx and Onyxia in addition to ZG :)
Cheers :)
Just read up, no need to level an entirely new toon that you already have (in this case TWO of). Doing a respec with some instances and/or BG here and there would probably help you out, but I surely wouldn't level a third Paladin. Unless you REALLY want to have one Paladin for any situation, then go ahead, knock yourself out :P
I cannot fathom why you would have two of the same class. I primarily raid as holy but have a pretty good tanking set too, which I use to tank in Kara and heroics quite often, I got the tank set by picking up warrior gear when all of the warriors had it/didn't want it, if I had one prot pally, one holy pally then i'd have a holy pally with the same gear as now, and a prot pally with hardly anything because he would rarely get to raid.
The only advantage of levelling a second pally is to learn the ropes of the new spec, but given that certain abilities only kick in at higher levels it will still be quicker (though more embarrassing) to suck for a bit at 70 while you work out what the hell you're supposed to do (and believe me, I sucked when I first started tanking).
Seriously you can probably pick up a good holy set from the stuff your guild's holy pallys don't want in raids and heroics, and pvp for the rest, then get healing, you'll suck at first but a guild group will understand and it wont take long to get good at it.
The only advantage of levelling a second pally is to learn the ropes of the new spec, but given that certain abilities only kick in at higher levels it will still be quicker (though more embarrassing) to suck for a bit at 70 while you work out what the hell you're supposed to do (and believe me, I sucked when I first started tanking).
Seriously you can probably pick up a good holy set from the stuff your guild's holy pallys don't want in raids and heroics, and pvp for the rest, then get healing, you'll suck at first but a guild group will understand and it wont take long to get good at it.
To all replyers:
You know, there ARE still people who are _roleplaying_ this .. er .. well .. roleplaying game. And in that light it is silly to go "retrain your abilities" that you trained your entire life (1-70) on in about 5 milliseconds.
Not all classes would be suited to have multiple of (mages for example just do damage, all three specs, rogues too for example) but a paladin is the school book example of one of those. Three builds, three totally different characters.
To the OP, just read the FAQS and scroll through the last 5 pages or so.. enough info there!
You know, there ARE still people who are _roleplaying_ this .. er .. well .. roleplaying game. And in that light it is silly to go "retrain your abilities" that you trained your entire life (1-70) on in about 5 milliseconds.
Not all classes would be suited to have multiple of (mages for example just do damage, all three specs, rogues too for example) but a paladin is the school book example of one of those. Three builds, three totally different characters.
To the OP, just read the FAQS and scroll through the last 5 pages or so.. enough info there!
So, you say it makes sense to have 3 Paladins, then tell the OP to read up instead o.O
I guess I could go off on how many toons do you need of the same class blah blah blah but I have a case of toonitis and I don't care. I've lvl'd 2 Pallies and had a 3rd for a while. I scraped 1, not sure why now and wish I hadn't. Oh well.
Ok, so here's my 2 cents. I had the worst time switching specs after I ground out 70 lvls as a specific spec. The problem is, I'm completely geared for my spec (Holy BTW) and re-gearing is costly for time and money. A lot of the AH gear is not ideal to truly outfit a certain spec. You'll spec Holy and hate it for a long time, I've been holy for 2 years and I don't really care for it but I pride myself at my job and make every attempt to do it well. I tried RET and even bought all the PVP faction pieces and still found it slow. However when I made a 2nd Pally and spec'd him the other way it went a lot smoother. If the thought of making a 3rd Pally isn't good for you then consider a different healer altogether. Anyway, consider that.
Ok, so here's my 2 cents. I had the worst time switching specs after I ground out 70 lvls as a specific spec. The problem is, I'm completely geared for my spec (Holy BTW) and re-gearing is costly for time and money. A lot of the AH gear is not ideal to truly outfit a certain spec. You'll spec Holy and hate it for a long time, I've been holy for 2 years and I don't really care for it but I pride myself at my job and make every attempt to do it well. I tried RET and even bought all the PVP faction pieces and still found it slow. However when I made a 2nd Pally and spec'd him the other way it went a lot smoother. If the thought of making a 3rd Pally isn't good for you then consider a different healer altogether. Anyway, consider that.
Maulgak, I apologize, I misread the OP.
Rephrase to the OP: do both. /wink
Rephrase to the OP: do both. /wink
np Immun, just don't want anyone confuzzled around here :)
And King, is leveling an entire new 70 not also time consuming? And depending on what you do with said toon, it could be very costly as well. People that do what I did have a fairly easy time respeccing: I've taken healing and DPS scraps from runs that were just going to be greeded or sharded anyway, so if I respec, I have at least a half decent set of gear and can do that job well.
Those who didn't, well, I hate to say it but you should have (at least a healy set if not Holy). I, as well as others, have always said you should keep a heal kit around just in case, and you can do that pretty easily just picking up what others don't need/want. Heck, you're one up on other healing classes because if any plate healing items drop, they are all yours! (excluding your healer being a Paly of course) Whereas say if you were a S.Priest looking to gear a Holy set and you were with a Holy Paladin, the Paladin should have priority on that nice healing cloth that dropped if it were an upgrade for them.
You can come up with numerous reasons for leveling a third and for not leveling a third. Personally I don't think you HAVE to level a certain spec to learn how to BE that spec, though the experience does help. I couldn't justify the time spent leveling another toon of the same class instead of doing a respec. maybe that's just me though.
And King, is leveling an entire new 70 not also time consuming? And depending on what you do with said toon, it could be very costly as well. People that do what I did have a fairly easy time respeccing: I've taken healing and DPS scraps from runs that were just going to be greeded or sharded anyway, so if I respec, I have at least a half decent set of gear and can do that job well.
Those who didn't, well, I hate to say it but you should have (at least a healy set if not Holy). I, as well as others, have always said you should keep a heal kit around just in case, and you can do that pretty easily just picking up what others don't need/want. Heck, you're one up on other healing classes because if any plate healing items drop, they are all yours! (excluding your healer being a Paly of course) Whereas say if you were a S.Priest looking to gear a Holy set and you were with a Holy Paladin, the Paladin should have priority on that nice healing cloth that dropped if it were an upgrade for them.
You can come up with numerous reasons for leveling a third and for not leveling a third. Personally I don't think you HAVE to level a certain spec to learn how to BE that spec, though the experience does help. I couldn't justify the time spent leveling another toon of the same class instead of doing a respec. maybe that's just me though.
I have 1 paladin. Ive healed up to mag (old mag), tanked all of kara and have recently respecced ret to do dalies and BGs. I have a bank full of prot gear, ret gear, pvp healing gear and pve healing gear. Only thing in my way when i want to change what i do is a 50g respec. a fee that takes about a half hour (tops) to make.
If you want to level something else, i'd try leveling a class that can farm efficiently. like a druid/hunter/lock. then focus on your already level 70 paladin(s).
Theres not much to it, im sure you could pick it up in no time.
If you want to level something else, i'd try leveling a class that can farm efficiently. like a druid/hunter/lock. then focus on your already level 70 paladin(s).
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For me to get a good understanding of holy pallys should I level a third pally as holy or just try to do a lot of readying to get to know the holy aspect of a pally.
Theres not much to it, im sure you could pick it up in no time.
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And King, is leveling an entire new 70 not also time consuming?
Very true. To me half the fun is getting there, so lvling a toon isn't nearly as heartbreaking as going back to get all that gear and then paying all the respec cost over and over again just to see which one you like. It's 6 one-way 1/2 dozen the other IMO. I suppose it all boils down to how you feel like doing it. Reroll and twink the hell out of them for lvling speed, get a PLer to help you or Respec and get the gear you really should have got. Either way it's a daunting task and one I don't envy you for. Good Luck though!!
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For me to get a good understanding of holy pallys should I level a third pally as holy or just try to do a lot of readying to get to know the holy aspect of a pally.
Like many of the other healadins around, I leveled Ret,went prot for a bit and finally respecced to Holy at lvl 70. I would not agree that you need to level as holy from lvl 1 in order to understand the class. Leveling is all about doing quests, killing mobs, the odd instance and whatnot. The only thing you would learn is how to do damage as Holy (which isn't rocket science). Healing instances at low levels is a joke and I sucessfully did it all the way to scholo/strat as retr spec with no healing gear.
Depending on what you want to learn about Holy, by your post I am assuming you mean understand how they operate in end game raiding, I would gather up some healing gear which shouldn't be difficult if you raid regularly (doesn't always have to be plate) and respec. I've been able to put together a pretty decent tank kit just from cast offs that no one wanted.
Drop down a little to maybe some normal outland instances until you learn the mechanics and start healing in heroics or kara or gruul depending on your gear level. This forum gives excellent advice for all pally specs and should be consulted if you have any questions.
I've rambled on a bit now.....
In summary.... Yes, you will learn more by doing rather than just reading up on it (preferably do both) but there is very little to be gained from rolling a 3rd toon. You will gear-up and become a proficent healer (dependent on skill) long before you hit lvl70 and all you've done is waste time.
To each his own though....
Edited, Apr 18th 2008 12:37pm by bawbaag
Thanks for all the replies.
The only reason I rolled a second pally to begin with was because a good friend of mine had a guild that was having bad luck with tanks for there guild. So I rolled one on his server then halfway though leveling him up I wanted to start raiding with them so I paid the $25 to transfer my tank over to his server. I could have just deleted my low level on but he was already in his 40's and was max enchanting and mining for that level range.
I think I will just do as much reading as I can and maybe spec holy for a mount or so if there are things I don't understand with out playing. Plus I know that if I have any major questions that I can't answer there are lots of wise holy pally around here to help me get some answers (I think).
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I cannot fathom why you would have two of the same class.
The only reason I rolled a second pally to begin with was because a good friend of mine had a guild that was having bad luck with tanks for there guild. So I rolled one on his server then halfway though leveling him up I wanted to start raiding with them so I paid the $25 to transfer my tank over to his server. I could have just deleted my low level on but he was already in his 40's and was max enchanting and mining for that level range.
I think I will just do as much reading as I can and maybe spec holy for a mount or so if there are things I don't understand with out playing. Plus I know that if I have any major questions that I can't answer there are lots of wise holy pally around here to help me get some answers (I think).
to the OP, you don't need to respec. like they've been saying you can get the gear while tanking or dpsing just by taking items that aren't an upgrade for your healer. your guild will probably be willing to help especially since it never hurts to have a healing set anyway.
on the other hand i totally understand leveling a toon the way you want to play it. i leveled a holy pally to 70 (took forever...) and when i wanted to try ret i just made a new pally and leveled to 70 as ret. i made a third to level as prot, but got stuck at about 24 and am still debating wether to continue him. only reason i would is cause it'd be nice to have a dedicated tank and i was gonna make him a skinner/tailor (both of which could benefit from AOE grinding). on the other hand i have an uncrittable/almost uncrushable tank set on my ret should i ever want to spec prot.. my ret has a better healing set than my holy pally though now... sadly. ret specc'd its better stats then my holy pally's gear....
in then end i fall back on, its your $15 do what sounds like more fun for you.. i love pallies so i have 2 and might level a third myself... some love endgame so they can't imagine starting a new toon when they hae one of that kind already... different people, different ideas of whats fun. thats why theres so many ways to play.
on the other hand i totally understand leveling a toon the way you want to play it. i leveled a holy pally to 70 (took forever...) and when i wanted to try ret i just made a new pally and leveled to 70 as ret. i made a third to level as prot, but got stuck at about 24 and am still debating wether to continue him. only reason i would is cause it'd be nice to have a dedicated tank and i was gonna make him a skinner/tailor (both of which could benefit from AOE grinding). on the other hand i have an uncrittable/almost uncrushable tank set on my ret should i ever want to spec prot.. my ret has a better healing set than my holy pally though now... sadly. ret specc'd its better stats then my holy pally's gear....
in then end i fall back on, its your $15 do what sounds like more fun for you.. i love pallies so i have 2 and might level a third myself... some love endgame so they can't imagine starting a new toon when they hae one of that kind already... different people, different ideas of whats fun. thats why theres so many ways to play.
I'm with toolofjesus. ^^ Do what you feel suits your needs. I find talent trees easier to lvl in than switching to. I have a Enhancement Shammy with wonderful gear for Enhancement and Elemental spec, however every time I switch spec's I will go back to Enhancement as soon as I get back to town. I can't stand Elemental even with good gear. However I don't know how to really use it and am to happy with the damage I deal with melee rather than casting. That's all I'm saying. You may feel handicapped as a holy for a long time good gear or poor gear. If you respec try not to get disgruntled. It's boring in the back but to keep it fun don't use any heal mods i.e. Healbot, it really takes all the fun out of being a healer. However get Decursive, it is the best mod (IMO) for Pally and it is hard to tell when someone is debuffed when you are fully concentrated on healing.
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