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#1 Apr 16 2008 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
I'm kinda new to the game of WoW, I was considering either being a Shaman or a Warrior for my first serious character. Which would you say has more damage capability and faster grinding ability. Also in a fight between the two, who would you say would win with equally skilled players?
#2 Apr 16 2008 at 11:17 PM Rating: Default
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Warrior.

A resto shaman or elemental shaman might beat a warrior if the warrior is bad.
#3 Apr 17 2008 at 12:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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uh, assuming equal gear, no heal-specced healer should lose vs a warrior. the healers just outlast the warrior, even with MS going for them.

more specific to shaman in a non-arena environment, they have a number of tools (heroism, elemental totems, high physical damage resistance with shield) to tip the scales in their favor. resto shammies just wont die thanks to earth shield and the heal from natures guardian (if they get that low). elementals have it a bit harder, but saving their biggest burst when the warrior gets into zerker and pops death wish can ensure max damage output. as long as the shammy sticks to CL and shocks, the warrior will have a hard time nailing interrupts. totems are just icing on the cake in most instances.

this is, of course, assuming equal gear on both the parts of the shammy and the warrior. is the warrior gets lucky with mace stun procs or sword spec procs, things could go south very quickly for the shaman. but overall, the shammy should prevail over the warrior the majority of the time.

also, im assuming pvp gear here, not pve. a resto in pve gear will probably get owned by a warrior in pve gear, but likewise the warrior will likely be dead before getting more than a few hits off on an elemental in pve gear.

Edited, Apr 17th 2008 1:53am by Quor
#4 Apr 17 2008 at 4:04 AM Rating: Default
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Yeah, that's pretty true. There are literally no good PvP resto/elemental shamans on Draka, so I've never dueled one.

I've seen how nasty they can be, though, but it's probably easier for rogues because we have CloS and other cooldowns.
#5 Apr 17 2008 at 5:05 AM Rating: Good
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uh, assuming equal gear, no heal-specced healer should lose vs a warrior.


Agreed, 1v1 I destroy warriors. 70% knockback reduction +30% from earth shield means I have almost 100%. So even if some magical warrior does manage to get me below 30%, nature's gaurdian and the spam of a few lesser healing waves will get me to full and the warrior will be done for.
#6 Apr 17 2008 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, that's pretty true. There are literally no good PvP resto/elemental shamans on Draka, so I've never dueled one.

I've seen how nasty they can be, though, but it's probably easier for rogues because we have CloS and other cooldowns.


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#7 Apr 17 2008 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually, on the subject of Resto Shaman vs. Arms Warrior, I would have to strongly disagree. I've done it enough, and believe me, the odds are strongly in favor of the Arms Warrior. Arms Warriors are horrible for Resto Shaman.
#8 Apr 17 2008 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Agree with Gaudion.

My 2 70's are a shaman and arm's war (shaman being the one I have the most experiance with of course). Arm's wars are the absolute BANE to shaman's. One solid MS hit, and that pretty much negates all healing possible, not to mention they still have 3 more interupts to use on you (2 of which have fast CD's). Not to mention, arms war's burst dmg is very not bad, the odds are your going to be dead before the MS debuff wears off.

Only time I've "destoryed" a warrior, is if they were stupid enough to activate Death Wish, zerk stance, and zerk rage at once. That pretty much put their dmg mitigation down to leather status, thus a good WF+SS hit hurts pretty bad to them (course so does everything else when they make themselves that vulnerable). But thats fantasy land, "most" pvp war's aren't so willing to bend over for you and give you a invitation like that. Not to mention with all thoughs dmg buffs up on them, it becomes a matter of who crits first, giving the war just as good a chance as you have to destory someone in just a few hits.
#9 Apr 17 2008 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I dunno I have more fun playing with warriors since I beefed up my pvp gear, in arena's they can still be quite a pain if my healer is not on his game. But in BGs I can usualy tear through them, seems more like a dps race.
#10 Apr 23 2008 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
Agree with Gaudion too. Arms warrior with ms is death on healer type can't do alot of damage to warrior just try to out last him.
#11 Apr 23 2008 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Much of the discussion has focussed on PvP (and, btw, nothing more satifying on my enhancement shammy than killing an arms warrior through a full minute of frost shock kiting) but, OP, if you want to know which toon is best for a first toon, it may be the shaman. The ability to heal yourself and the huge amounts of damage you put out make grinding a lot easier. Leveling a warrior is tough --they do relatively little damage for a long time, have low survivability and don't become real killing machines until high lvl. They also constantly have to pause to eat and bandage themselves.

That said, they're both great classes. The warrior is definitely more of a challenge, with more buttons to push, and has more viability as a lvl 70 PvP toon. Warriors will also be expected to tank, so if you don't want that, roll another class. (Some people like tanking and warrior tanking is a blast.) Shamans will sometimes be expected to heal, but they can also dps, while most people think of warriors as solely a tanking class.

Shamans may seem a bit boring at first -- they get few special attacks. They become much more interesting in groups, when you constantly change your totem mix to help your allies. They also become insanely powerful after lvl 40.

I'll conclude the way most people do around here: Play both classes to 20 and then decide.

Edited, Apr 23rd 2008 3:13pm by tuskerdu
#12 Apr 24 2008 at 6:38 AM Rating: Decent
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They also become insanely powerful after lvl 40

...and then steadily diminish into irrelevance after lvl50.

I recommend Warrior simply because a Warrior excels at more roles than Shaman do. You can be a tank and ALWAYS find a group because faith in Warrior tanks is high.

Or, you can spec Fury and do solid raid DPS.

Or, you can spec for PvP and usually find an Arena team, because every Arena team wants Intercept, Intervene, Pummel and Hamstring, and MS if you decide to spec Arms.

The choice as I see it is this; during your toon's life, after lvl40 (at which Shamans admittedly shine brightly), a Warrior would have a lot more luck in PvP than a Shaman, and if you're on a PvP realm that will really matter. Being corpsecamped by a Rogue 2 lvls lower than you (happened to me...) and being essentially unable to harm him or heal myself (as Enhance) gets old damn fast

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