So I've currently got a 70 Priest as my main to raid with...got Gruul's and Mag on farm, just to give you an idea of how far I progressed. I'm looking to make a new character that will be dedicated to doing PvP (Arena, mostly). I was curious how some of you PvP Mages out there felt about the topic of Frost Mages and Arena. How well do you tend to perform? What sort of specs do you use? What ladder of Arena do you succeed the most in?
Pretty much just looking for any thoughts or ideas so I can decide what class I want to PvP with. Thanks ahead of time for any comments you have.
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Mages are not really very good in 2s, but tend to perform better in 3s and 5s. Most arena mages use 17/0/44.
that's really about all the info I have right now, sorry.
that's really about all the info I have right now, sorry.
I arena as 17/0/44 with a MS warrior in 2v2. We had a slow start, but have started coming around the last few weeks. There aren't too many combos that give us too much trouble anymore. In 3v3 a lock would be nice with us just to keep some pressure divided off of me. I haven't done 5v5 so I can't comment there, but for as far as 2v2 goes I think frost can do well, as long as they have a partner who can help down one opponent quick while you keep one kited/cc'd.
This guy has some good vids for frost mage pvp. Some arena, some 1v1, some bgs, but there is a lot of useful information.
I hope this is somewhat useful for you.
This guy has some good vids for frost mage pvp. Some arena, some 1v1, some bgs, but there is a lot of useful information.
I hope this is somewhat useful for you.
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As a fire mage I 2v2 with a warlock and we can down any non healer team rather easily but a healer team with a pally or priest can beat us. A druid healer we beat about 50% of the time and a shammy we beat about 80% of the time. Currently we always go for the healer first if there is one. Do other dps teams do that? or do you try to cc the healers?
It depends on the healer for us. Priests/shammies we usually cc and down the other first. Pallies are a pain since they will bubble, just be sure to spellsteal blessing of freedom/protection. Druids usually mean blow everything you have b/c they are a pain in the ***.
My current favorite thing to do is spellsteal the HoTs they cast while my water ele and partner down them before moving onto the other one, who is usually beating on me. There I can usually kite a bit with frost armor and frost nova.
It is usually situational though if it is a ret pally and a holy priest, probly kill the priest first, since the pally will take a while. If the dps they have is squishy then we usually burst them down first, if the dps is gonna be a pain to down then we can usually get the healer quick.
My current favorite thing to do is spellsteal the HoTs they cast while my water ele and partner down them before moving onto the other one, who is usually beating on me. There I can usually kite a bit with frost armor and frost nova.
It is usually situational though if it is a ret pally and a holy priest, probly kill the priest first, since the pally will take a while. If the dps they have is squishy then we usually burst them down first, if the dps is gonna be a pain to down then we can usually get the healer quick.
Mages pair best with a rogue or another mage. But really thats just if you want a cookie-cutter good team you can basically pair up with anything it just takes a good strategy.
In 3's we actually perform best, but have the hardest job. You really have to keep things CC'd as much as possible while still putting out good dps.
In 5's its basically the same as 3's except you will be doing much more cc, and slightly less dps.
17/0/44 is the standard spec, with points in arcane leading up to imp. counterspell.
Frost will work best if you dont want 17/0/44 exactly and would prefer a variation, but fire can work, i have seen it done. With fire, good pairs are rogue, lock, or elemental sham. (this is 2's)
In 3's we actually perform best, but have the hardest job. You really have to keep things CC'd as much as possible while still putting out good dps.
In 5's its basically the same as 3's except you will be doing much more cc, and slightly less dps.
17/0/44 is the standard spec, with points in arcane leading up to imp. counterspell.
Frost will work best if you dont want 17/0/44 exactly and would prefer a variation, but fire can work, i have seen it done. With fire, good pairs are rogue, lock, or elemental sham. (this is 2's)
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Thanks for all the input guys, exactly the kind of responses I was looking for! :)
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as far as... spell hitrating/critchance/spellbonusdmg/resiliance/haste/stamina/intell...etc.
where should i be in these areas doing arena's i am going to do the 17/0/44 (cause its the most recomended I do 2v2 with a rogue and 3v3 rogue + lock
also could some one link me the 17/0/44 i am not sure where everone puts the 44 frost
where should i be in these areas doing arena's i am going to do the 17/0/44 (cause its the most recomended I do 2v2 with a rogue and 3v3 rogue + lock
also could some one link me the 17/0/44 i am not sure where everone puts the 44 frost
I just got done doing my 90th game this week in 2v2s with a SL/SL lock. I'm a frost mage. We both have gear and skill (but in no way are we the best). We started at 1674 and are now at 1672.
I, personaly, don't like this make up. We seem to do alot better against teams that would be tough against a rogue/mage but have issues with so many more teams then before. It's amazing how bad a rogue can destroy a lock and 2 rogue teams are retarded. We've worked out strats for almost all make ups by now but some just require alot of luck. As for now I'd stick with a mage/rogue or mage/warrior.
In 3v3s you can always go with the rogue/mage/priest teams. There's not a ton of them for nothing. Never underestemate the power of a mages burst+rogues stuns+ mass dispell.. very godly. Another good 3v3 I've been playing with is mage/MS warrior/resto druid. Take the 2v2 team that is a pain in the *** to deal with and add a double ice blocking, sheeping, counter spelling, burst machine with a pet. Can't go wrong there.
5v5s are what mages can shine in. If you want to blow stuff up go arcane/fire and get on a single healing burst team. Priest/ele sham/mage/hunter/warrior are fun as hell. Go frost for duel healer teams. Holy pally/priest/mage/war/rogue are great.
And finally, for some real fun :) The all mage 5v5. 3 frost/2 pom pyro. You have to all be geared but omg the stuff you can destroy. The best part is you have a single strat for each and every fight. Buff, mount, round up, destroy. With 2 pyros, 3 eles, 8 novas.... omg I need to make that team again.
I, personaly, don't like this make up. We seem to do alot better against teams that would be tough against a rogue/mage but have issues with so many more teams then before. It's amazing how bad a rogue can destroy a lock and 2 rogue teams are retarded. We've worked out strats for almost all make ups by now but some just require alot of luck. As for now I'd stick with a mage/rogue or mage/warrior.
In 3v3s you can always go with the rogue/mage/priest teams. There's not a ton of them for nothing. Never underestemate the power of a mages burst+rogues stuns+ mass dispell.. very godly. Another good 3v3 I've been playing with is mage/MS warrior/resto druid. Take the 2v2 team that is a pain in the *** to deal with and add a double ice blocking, sheeping, counter spelling, burst machine with a pet. Can't go wrong there.
5v5s are what mages can shine in. If you want to blow stuff up go arcane/fire and get on a single healing burst team. Priest/ele sham/mage/hunter/warrior are fun as hell. Go frost for duel healer teams. Holy pally/priest/mage/war/rogue are great.
And finally, for some real fun :) The all mage 5v5. 3 frost/2 pom pyro. You have to all be geared but omg the stuff you can destroy. The best part is you have a single strat for each and every fight. Buff, mount, round up, destroy. With 2 pyros, 3 eles, 8 novas.... omg I need to make that team again.
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as far as... spell hitrating/critchance/spellbonusdmg/resiliance/haste/stamina/intell...etc.
where should i be in these areas doing arena's i am going to do the 17/0/44 (cause its the most recomended I do 2v2 with a rogue and 3v3 rogue + lock)
also could some one link me the 17/0/44 i am not sure where everone puts the 44 frost
where should i be in these areas doing arena's i am going to do the 17/0/44 (cause its the most recomended I do 2v2 with a rogue and 3v3 rogue + lock)
also could some one link me the 17/0/44 i am not sure where everone puts the 44 frost
Ok, first off, hit rating doesn't need to be nearly as high in arena as in raids, personally I have 22 spell hit in my pvp gear. I don't remember the exact math, but I think 30 would be sufficient. Stamina, obviously, as much as you can muster. In all S1 gear I have 323 resil w/o gemming for it or enchanting it. 300 seems to be a good place to get too. Personally, I don't worry about haste too much atm for arenas, gearing for it would be sacrificing resil in many spots.
Int is hard to say, I roll with about 8500, I have seen some with closer to 10k. I would shoot for at least 8k min. Spell dmg get as much as possible, I know some guys who are over 1k in their gear for pvp, I'd would shoot for 800+. Crit, for frost I would try to get to 20%+, obviously with shatter that will make the crit combos effective.
Not entirely sure what you mean by "where should i be", but I will assume you mean positioning. I would suggest away from melee and pets. Use LoS to your advantage for casters/ranged. I prefer to always be on the move using what instant casts I have while water ele beats on them. I will stop for casts if they are obviously not after me, or are in a nova.
Here is my current 17/0/44 build, there are variations of it though, this is just what I use.
Hopefully this helps a bit, I'll try to get more concrete numbers for the stats later.
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yes that helps alot thank you.
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is the or can the 17/0/44 do ok in heroics
Mhog wrote:
Ok, first off, hit rating doesn't need to be nearly as high in arena as in raids, personally I have 22 spell hit in my pvp gear. I don't remember the exact math, but I think 30 would be sufficient.
4% total, iirc. Meaning 2 points in Elemental Precision and 2 points in Arcane Focus and you're technically there.
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is the or can the 17/0/44 do ok in heroics
It can do fine in heroics, I usually swap in some PvE gear for it. In PvP I am around 750 spell damage with 22 spell hit, when I sub in PvE gear I get to around 925 dmg and 130 spell hit. I'm to lazy to respec fire for max damage/spell hit with my gear most the time, and I do fine dmg-wise in heroics.
I am a hunter that runs 3v3 with a mage and a Spriest.
The mage in our group runs a similar build to what they are talking about and we have little trouble winning this way. we have won 16 of our last 20 rounds we have done because he is able to keep the warriors off me while I gun down their locks or other mages.
Mages I feel are very valuable in arena and especially frost mages.
The mage in our group runs a similar build to what they are talking about and we have little trouble winning this way. we have won 16 of our last 20 rounds we have done because he is able to keep the warriors off me while I gun down their locks or other mages.
Mages I feel are very valuable in arena and especially frost mages.
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