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#1 Apr 16 2008 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Curious about this one - I'm currently dual wielding, but I feel like maybe my dmg would be better and leveing would be quicker if i just had a big heavy hitting 2 hander. Sure, it's fun to watch your toon dual wield, but is it worth it? Whats the best option for leveling? I'm currently lvl 46. Thanks!
#2 Apr 16 2008 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Once you get dual-wield for your Enhancement Shaman there is no reason to two-hand anymore. Ever.
#3 Apr 16 2008 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Without a doubt its dual wielding. Switched to a two-hander for a bit at about lvl 55. After a nights play I went back to dual and sold the two hander off.

Three things are vital to heavy dps though (don't know if I'm giving you any new info here): Keep both weapons buffed with your Windfury Weapon buff, make sure that both weapons have a speed of 2.6 or slower (2.8 preferred as slower speeds take max advantage of Windfury Weapon), and spam your Stormstrike as much as possible.

This combo, along with a fire totem planted at your side, is pretty much devastation to mobs even through the 60s.
Their health bars will go down faster than a two bit [edit] hanging about the docks when a Navy ship pulls in for shore leave.

Edit:
Thanks for the fix point out BonYogi, was typing and not thinking.

Edited, Apr 16th 2008 10:38pm by OzoneSSX
#4 Apr 16 2008 at 4:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Gaudion wrote:
Once you get dual-wield for your Enhancement Shaman there is no reason to two-hand anymore. Ever.


Ever hear of PvP?

edit: I agreee though, that dual wield is far superior for PvE.

Edited, Apr 17th 2008 12:16am by SunSoarer
#5 Apr 16 2008 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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make sure that both weapons have a speed of 2.6 or slower (2.8 preferred as slower speeds take max advantage of Windfury Weapon)




Fixed.
#6 Apr 16 2008 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lord SunSoarer wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
Once you get dual-wield for your Enhancement Shaman there is no reason to two-hand anymore. Ever.


Ever hear of PvP?

edit: I agreee though, that dual wield is far superior for PvE.

Edited, Apr 17th 2008 12:16am by SunSoarer

Ha ha ha! No, I never have. That's so funny that you would mention it... only dual-wield is better for PvP as well, at least in my opinion. As a healer, it's been my experience that the dual-wielders are infinitely harder to weather than the two-handers.

Edited, May 3rd 2008 11:27pm by Gaudion
#7 Apr 16 2008 at 5:10 PM Rating: Default
First of all duel wielding is great 2 have either for pvp or pve, but out of my experiance with my shaman is that with 2h (Maces) do very good DPS, with only glad. gear i havnt experianced to much 2 tell you what is better or not, but out of the time I've taken to see the differances myself. What think is better for you is to stay duel wielding for lvling. 2h would be better if you get it at the max lvl (60 or 70) but that is just my opinion. With 2h you will see some HEAVY damage with some good +strength on yourself
#8 Apr 16 2008 at 5:18 PM Rating: Default
Ok first of all yes you are correct duel wielding shamans make it harder for a healer 2 do his job, but also understanding this, you will still get some good heals off of you 2 yourself or other party/raid members. Now once again with a 2h shaman you would have more time to heal yourself but also be taken a huge amount of DPS on yourself. But also remember earth shock, stomp(tauren) is also another + 2 stoping a healer quick. From what I've done with a 2h in the past, a healer stood not too long 2 heal much :{D
#9 Apr 16 2008 at 7:28 PM Rating: Good
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youngmaster wrote:
Ok first of all yes you are correct duel wielding shamans make it harder for a healer 2 do his job, but also understanding this, you will still get some good heals off of you 2 yourself or other party/raid members. Now once again with a 2h shaman you would have more time to heal yourself but also be taken a huge amount of DPS on yourself. But also remember earth shock, stomp(tauren) is also another + 2 stoping a healer quick. From what I've done with a 2h in the past, a healer stood not too long 2 heal much :{D


In the past? How long ago was this "past" that you speak of?
#10 Apr 16 2008 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lord SunSoarer wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
Once you get dual-wield for your Enhancement Shaman there is no reason to two-hand anymore. Ever.


Ever hear of PvP?

edit: I agreee though, that dual wield is far superior for PvE.

Check the high-rated enhancement shamans in arena. They're all DW.

Big WF crits are dead since resilience came about.
#11 Apr 16 2008 at 11:32 PM Rating: Good
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youngmaster wrote:
Now once again with a 2h shaman you would have more time to heal yourself but also be taken a huge amount of DPS on yourself. But also remember earth shock, stomp(tauren) is also another + 2 stoping a healer quick. From what I've done with a 2h in the past, a healer stood not too long 2 heal much :{D

This is not "the past" though. A 2H doesn't put out a "huge" amount of DPS, or at least the amount of DPS it does put out is less than what a dual-wielder is putting out.

Enhancement Shaman kill healers by grinding them down with high DPS, constant Purging, and interrupting heals every time your Shocks are off cooldown. Infreqent Windfury procs/crits off of a two-hander are just not as threatening as they used to be. Resilliance has taken a lot of the bite out of crits' bark, and even healers just have a ton of HP anymore.

Steady, reliable, high DPS > higher but infrequent and random burst DPS.

Edited, Apr 17th 2008 2:25pm by Gaudion
#12 Apr 17 2008 at 12:28 AM Rating: Good
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Check the high-rated enhancement shamans in arena. They're all DW.

Big WF crits are dead since resilience came about.


You guys are missing a key factor. The OP is not asking about endgame (raid/arena or otherwise). They are asking about what to use while they are leveling, and Pre-70 2-handers are far superior for PvP.
#13 Apr 17 2008 at 3:58 AM Rating: Default
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Dread Lord SunSoarer wrote:
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Check the high-rated enhancement shamans in arena. They're all DW.

Big WF crits are dead since resilience came about.


You guys are missing a key factor. The OP is not asking about endgame (raid/arena or otherwise). They are asking about what to use while they are leveling, and Pre-70 2-handers are far superior for PvP.

Having only done pre-70 PvP on my shaman, I'm going to go ahead and say you're still wrong.

Proccing Flurry is far more important than getting one huge WF crit, as Flurry procs more WF attacks.

Basically you're not going to be getting a WF hit every 3 secs with a 2h. With DW, you will because of the speed of your weapons, and Flurry.
#14 Apr 17 2008 at 5:08 AM Rating: Default
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make sure that both weapons have a speed of 2.6 or slower (2.8 preferred as slower speeds take max advantage of Windfury Weapon


The prefered minimum is 2.4 or slower, 2.6 being the sweet spot seeing as 2.6 1-handers are not as common as the fury warrior maces/axes which tend to be 2.4-2.5 speed.

edit : very bad typo, tseieng is not a word

Edited, Apr 17th 2008 9:12am by Draeneipally
#15 May 03 2008 at 5:30 PM Rating: Good
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Theo, while normally I can see your point and frequently find myself agreeing with you, on this subject I can fully vouch for 60 and under pvp dual weilding kills.

Three key factors make this possible:

Low HP pools

No resilience to speak of

Ability to stack absurd amounts of strength

1 shotting or 1 shot + shocking most classes is very very -if- windfury procs. Will it proc every time? No. Will it not proc when you need it most? Yes. I will, however, say this. It all boils down to playstyle. I, knowing the downsides, -leveled- with a 2h until outlands. Yes, that's right, I knowing gimped my dps by using a 2 hander. Regret it? Not in the least. Hell, if you checked my bags you will find I still, to this day, keep a 2h on me just for goofing off.

Recap: End-game PvP = Dual Wielding. Pre-60 PvP = Play what you want (though 2h is viable). All PvE = It's your game, play what you want. (Speaking strictly on numerical figures it's always smarter to Dual Wield as soon as you get the ability).
#16REDACTED, Posted: May 03 2008 at 7:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Fixed it for you.
#17REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2008 at 11:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No, you're wrong, and an idiot.
#18 May 05 2008 at 4:17 AM Rating: Decent
Tbh, for lvling, go with what you want.. sure dual wield gives more flurry/wf procs, and has a higher chance to hit. But honestly for lvling i used a 2 hander most of the time; I personally like seeing the big crits when they came :p

Edited, May 5th 2008 2:18pm by dragster
#19REDACTED, Posted: May 05 2008 at 5:05 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Lol, good one. O wait.... seriously?
#20 May 05 2008 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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May be too late to weigh in ,and I don't want to pose as a l337 PvPer, but: In my limited, pre-70 experience, dual-wield remains superior to two-hand in PvP as well as in leveling. The ability to one-shot clothies once every twelve swings is not as good as the ability to three or four-shot em every time. Plus you get more procs for flurry, sham focus and unleashed rage. And I find that I go oom faster in BGs than while soloing given all the totems I drop and shocking I do, so I want SF every time possible.
#21 May 05 2008 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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There might be a slight bit more argument for the two-hander if Stormstrike didn't attack with both weapons.

Slight.
#22 May 05 2008 at 10:01 PM Rating: Good
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Theophany wrote:
No, you're wrong, and an idiot.

DW is better always.


Yup, I'm an idiot for stating that its smarter to Dual Wield but to have fun with a game you pay for. Silly me. Well, you heard it here first, play your game the way you are told even if you sacrifice enjoyment! /sigh. I'd be glad to..as soon as its your credit card getting billed and not mine. Until the, I'll do what I have fun with.
#23 May 05 2008 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Aww, we are all friendly Shamans here...let's get along.

I just recently leveled to the point where I can dual wield and use storm strike and I am not missing my two hander at all. Mobs just melt at the amount of DPS you can put out. I haven't tried it for PvP but will as soon as I hit 49. It would be really hard for me to believe that it would gimp you must to dual wield.

But I think playing what you find fun is important. I like to be optimal. But my main is a Rogue and I still swear by leveling with a dagger because I just like that style better. This game is made to be casual (even end game raiding to a certain extent) so there is a bit of flex in how you play as long as you play it well.
#24REDACTED, Posted: May 05 2008 at 10:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If the OP wanted opinions on "wuts moar fun 2 pley lol?" then yes, your post would be relevant.
#25 May 06 2008 at 5:27 AM Rating: Default
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If the OP wanted opinions on "wuts moar fun 2 pley lol?" then yes, your post would be relevant.


I agree but name calling isn't well, called for.
#26REDACTED, Posted: May 06 2008 at 12:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) It's always called for.
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