Respeccing to Shadowstep 20/0/41Follow

mutilate does very good damage, gets you alot of combo points, and is also focused around poisions. but it offers almost no survivalbility. with only 20 points left over you cant get into the subtly tree far enough to get the best survival talents.

Thats why shadow step is the cookie cutter spec right now, it does good damage but also gives rogues tons of survivability. the 20 points into assasination give you more dmg than 20 ponits into combat would. thats why people spec 20/0/41

if your going to go mutilate be sure you either have a very good healer with you, or someone that can cc with sheep/fear. because you will get torn apart. muti rogues are good for 3s as the main damage dealer but for 2s you need to focus more on survivability

I saw the hint at muti now in the thread and had to add my 2 cents.Firstly im a 41/0/20 and I love it,Ive tried Shadowstep but unfortunately(or fortunately however you look at it) I got daggers and enchanted them before reading up about pvp specs.But now that I've aquired some good pvp gear I must admit that its amazing.Here are the reasons why I really enjoy it:

1)I like using daggers,it just makes me feel more roguish.I also like being able to ambush a low health opponent without having to stay around to kill him if i had used a cheap shot or garrote.

2)Mutilate crits make me really happy,seeing 1.9k folled by 1.3k instantly really does something for me,haha...yes I'm into stuff like that.

3)Obviously most rogues take the beginning 20 points in assasination,but the talents further up are really good imo:
Fleet footed is great,******** up a mages Frost nova can really knock them off their groove and win you the fight,plus with my lag I really enjoy the increase to movement speed.Improved Kidney Shot and Quick Recovery help alot in Arena when someone is getting focus fired or when you are the target getting nuked.Cold Blood coupled with a mutilate right as kidney shot ends wins you the fight,just pray they have their trinket on CD.Also the bonus energy you get really helps with the burst you need to knock people down in pvp.

Im just highlighting some of the aspects of mutilate builds that make them really fun,obviously shs has its own ups and downs but ive never truly experienced it as I'm daggers and hemo doesnt work to well with that.

In my opinion,if you're gonna stay daggers then i suggest you dont go ShS,backstab is good and all but you need to many points to max out its damage.Also its positional and people dont sit still in pvp,well the good players dont.If you have some extra cash and want to try something different then I suggest Mutilate,it has loads of perks,is lots of fun and is a daggers only club;)

I can understand if many will tell me it's 'sucky'. I can respect that. But to each his own. And it may be sucky compared to other builds but the point here is to make it the best it could be, though inferior. And it's up to the way a player compensates for this fact... by play style and skill.

But your friend here doesn't know what the meaning of 'manners' is... I'm 100% right on saying he wasn't brought up well... and that he's all empty threats.

Edited, Apr 17th 2008 8:05pm by fuchia

You know what manners are? That's really not apparent from your actions.

What I see here is that someone comes on here, asks for criticism, gets it, responds to it, seeks more assurances and feedback, gets it, sees the error of their ways when reasons are explained and we're all getting on fine.

Then someone with a head the size of a planet wades in and starts swearing at the person seeking advice, hurling abuse. That might be what passes for manners in your neighbourhood and if it is, I'm glad I'm NOT "from money".

EDIT: missed the word "not".

Edited, Apr 18th 2008 7:52pm by Leodis

To get back to the topic, I'm convinced to give 20/0/41 a go.

I was thinking that http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboyZZxMjoMGRoxst would be optimal for a 2v2 with a Disc Priest (5/5 Vile to counter the druids poison removal).

I'm annoyed not to have 3/3 Envelopping Shadows, but I would really not know where to get those three points from.

Any suggestion to improve the build would be most appreciated (with explanation as to why the change is appropriate).

Thanks,

nostra

And I think that people who post only to express useless and pendantic opinions should be banned from the internet, but you can't get everything you want, now can you?

I pulled a muscle pushing the rate-up button that hard...

I think people who make topics advising people about builds and post a load of terrible builds in these topics should try not to draw attention to themselves when talking about how useful people are.

Thanks. I'll try it then, should be fun to have an even better CP generation.



Do try it. The utility of GS is really nice for just 1 point and the additional damage (at least with my stuff, GS usually does more dam than Hemo) is just icing on the cake.

nostra

You're wasting points on useless talents, TBH.

Opportunity has a very minimal impact on Garrote. Something like 300 damage if your AP is 1800+.

You need more Vile Poisons and less Lethality.

You need 3/3 Cheat Death and less Master of Subtlety.

Lose Setup.

Basically, if you want to go Vile/Slieght of Hand ShS, you'll want to spec this.

Personally I hate SoH; I feel it's a complete waste of talents. I'd probably go with 4/5 Camo and GS instead.

And yes, it is cookie cutter, but cookie cutter builds are around for a reason.

If you want me to explain why Lethality is worse (by FAR) than Vile Poisons I will, but most people just take my word for it.

Edit: alternatively, you can take 2 more points out of Lethality to move them to Imp EA if you do arena with other melee classes like feral druids, warriors, or enhancement shamans.

Edited, Apr 19th 2008 5:21am by Theophany