I'm stupid right? Well whatever. I will level a hunter to 70 without using ranged attacks or a pet. Here is my build. enjoy it. also, weep for the five wasted points in master tactician. This is not a troll; I came here for a reason. Do you think I would be better off using a 2hander or dual weilding? Thank you for your time.
Edit: Could use this build too.
Edited, Apr 15th 2008 11:12pm by hybrand
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I love the idea of a melee hunter. I'm not sure if a 2hander would be better then dual wielding. With my survival hunter I tend to go for a twohander, because I usually only get one hit in before I wing clip and get to shooting range.
Maybe if you would go for dual wielding you should get some hit rating gear, since off handed weapons tend to miss just about 99% of the time. At lower levels, I'd suggest using a 2hander, and when you get a little higher, and hit rating gear becomes available, I'd go for dual wield.
Maybe if you would go for dual wielding you should get some hit rating gear, since off handed weapons tend to miss just about 99% of the time. At lower levels, I'd suggest using a 2hander, and when you get a little higher, and hit rating gear becomes available, I'd go for dual wield.
Thats kind of what I was thinking when I put in the talent for Hit percent. Thats just one less thing to get at 70. (not like I'm going to be raiding with him or anything. PvP....mabye. But I won't be raiding). I'm playing him as a throw away character when I get bored of my pally, and It's not like I'll notice a DPs differance between the two eh? I guess I'm just going to have to have top of the line gear for armor and weapons. Also what do you guys think my Agi:Strength rating should be since I'm all melee?
BTW, thanks for the rateup :)
BTW, thanks for the rateup :)
Words cannot express the pain I felt when you said...
...But hey, it's your choice. I would definitely suggest a 2 hander for the simple fact that it will allow big raptor strike hits. Dual wield would definitely have more dps, but, as the previous poster stated, dual wield will miss a bit more.
If I may ask tough, why are you chosing to level this way? Do you have something to prove or just looking for a challenge?
hybrand wrote:
or a pet.
...But hey, it's your choice. I would definitely suggest a 2 hander for the simple fact that it will allow big raptor strike hits. Dual wield would definitely have more dps, but, as the previous poster stated, dual wield will miss a bit more.
If I may ask tough, why are you chosing to level this way? Do you have something to prove or just looking for a challenge?
Untoucheable wrote:
Words cannot express the pain I felt when you said...
...But hey, it's your choice. I would definitely suggest a 2 hander for the simple fact that it will allow big raptor strike hits. Dual wield would definitely have more dps, but, as the previous poster stated, dual wield will miss a bit more.
If I may ask tough, why are you chosing to level this way? Do you have something to prove or just looking for a challenge?
hybrand wrote:
or a pet.
...But hey, it's your choice. I would definitely suggest a 2 hander for the simple fact that it will allow big raptor strike hits. Dual wield would definitely have more dps, but, as the previous poster stated, dual wield will miss a bit more.
If I may ask tough, why are you chosing to level this way? Do you have something to prove or just looking for a challenge?
looking for a challenge :) Something not often done. (completed I mean)
I just thought of the raptor strike thing and wondered how a dual weilder can make up for that. They might have more DPS; but they have no burst damage.... Nothing comes to mind but...hey, you never know.
Edited, Apr 16th 2008 9:26am by hybrand
I'm going to go vomit blood now.
Have fun.
Have fun.
after how many beers did you create this thought?
Well, I wish you luck. My very first toon was a melee mage, highest skill was swords. I could not do any damage with spells and you only got one frost nova before they got to you, so I corpse ran until I got fed up and roll a hunter. Sad but true.
Because you seem to know what you where getting into, more power to you. I hope you do have fun and I honestly am interested to hear how leveling went for you.
However my gut instinct is HAVE YOU LOST YOUR @#%^ING MIND, THAT IS THE MOST GODDAMNED RETARDED ASSHATE TOMFOOLERY BULLsh*t I HAVE EVER HEARD OF.
Now, that thats over. For pure melee both builds do look fairly solid, I would be interested in seeing your armory, just to see how you geared for this endeavor!
*Edit* Please use a pet though, it doesn.t have to use growl, but please at least use one. I can't sleep at night until you agree to use a pet!
Edited, Apr 16th 2008 9:08am by rinkkel
However my gut instinct is HAVE YOU LOST YOUR @#%^ING MIND, THAT IS THE MOST GODDAMNED RETARDED ASSHATE TOMFOOLERY BULLsh*t I HAVE EVER HEARD OF.
Now, that thats over. For pure melee both builds do look fairly solid, I would be interested in seeing your armory, just to see how you geared for this endeavor!
*Edit* Please use a pet though, it doesn.t have to use growl, but please at least use one. I can't sleep at night until you agree to use a pet!
Edited, Apr 16th 2008 9:08am by rinkkel
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Posted: Apr 15 2008 at 10:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) unoriginal is still not original.
Yeah, I'd agree with a 2hander if you're going to melee. The lack of pet is really going to create problems for you. You'll be running into a whole camp of mobs, only have a single trap, no pet to hold aggro, not enough melee power to kill fast and no real ability to tank well.
I don't mean it in a "you're an asshat" way. I just mean... I don't expect much in the way of surviving for long by meleeing alone. Good luck though.
I don't mean it in a "you're an asshat" way. I just mean... I don't expect much in the way of surviving for long by meleeing alone. Good luck though.
OK, it sounds like it's a conscious desicion, and that you realize how hard and tedious it's going to be, so I won't comment on that. It's certainly doable. However, I think the hardest part of this is that everybody you meet is going to think that you are the King of Noobs, and tell you so in no uncertain terms. Please note, I'm not saying you are, but everybody will think so, and you will probably have to forget about ever playing in a group.
Personally, I would rather take a stroll through my hometown in nothing but grandmas underwear than doing what you plan to do, but if you go through with it, good luck.
And I'd probably go for the first build, you will need to be able to pop an extra trap now and then.
Edit: Oh, and about 2H vs dual wield, use whatever stuff gives you the most melee dps. Remember to deduct 25%(?) from your off-hand weapon.
Edited, Apr 16th 2008 10:18am by Parasight
Personally, I would rather take a stroll through my hometown in nothing but grandmas underwear than doing what you plan to do, but if you go through with it, good luck.
And I'd probably go for the first build, you will need to be able to pop an extra trap now and then.
Edit: Oh, and about 2H vs dual wield, use whatever stuff gives you the most melee dps. Remember to deduct 25%(?) from your off-hand weapon.
Edited, Apr 16th 2008 10:18am by Parasight
If this was a 1 player game, i might even enjoy this method because it's a little more RPing.. but i'd still keep the pet, even if he didn't have growl. and name his something interesting or relative to your interest... and roll your hunter on an RP server for your own good.
I want to see your armory while you are leveling it, or in a year from now when you do hit 70/80. It'll be interesting to see what stats you stack and how are you doing.
I'm going to create a priest who doesn't heal and will only attack with a wand. After that it's going to be a non-stealthing rogue who I'll run naked while only using vendor bought throwing weapons.
Why? because I really like the challenge.
I'm also pretty sure I can demolish a wall using my forehead. But luckily I choose not to because: A) it will be painful & B) I have access to tools which make this strategy unnecessary.
I don't understand anyone who would want to do what the OP proposes. Seems like a serious waste of time. But then again...it's your character.
Just do us all a favor and DO NOT join pug's.
EDIT: I haven't had my coffee yet. So please excuse my critical tone.
Edited, Apr 16th 2008 9:01am by Paladense
Why? because I really like the challenge.
I'm also pretty sure I can demolish a wall using my forehead. But luckily I choose not to because: A) it will be painful & B) I have access to tools which make this strategy unnecessary.
I don't understand anyone who would want to do what the OP proposes. Seems like a serious waste of time. But then again...it's your character.
Just do us all a favor and DO NOT join pug's.
EDIT: I haven't had my coffee yet. So please excuse my critical tone.
Edited, Apr 16th 2008 9:01am by Paladense
Paladense wrote:
Just do us all a favor and DO NOT join pug's.
That's what Guildies are for :)
As for the armory, he is only level 5 as of now so scratch that. But I have thought about some other things:
Seems to me that 1 Agility > 5 Strength.
Also, a "rotation" if you will: Hunters mark (depending on talants); Trap, Raptor strike, Wing clip, run to range, (trap here if possible), Rptor strike, Wing clip, Run to range...Rinse/Repeat. I don't know if thats going to limit enemy damage enough to make it worthwhile, but it seems like it might work for me.
As for being called a noob; I know that will happen, but nothing I can do about it. I'm a very cool person, I should be fine. And for fun, I rolled him on a pvp server :)
Edit: oh, and I'm not going to run into camps of mobs with only 1 trap. But just in case: thats why feign death is a must.
Edited, Apr 16th 2008 9:29am by hybrand
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And for fun, I rolled him on a pvp server :)
/gulp
Now we know your crazy! This would be the reason we get the "HUNTARD" tag.
Good Luck though, 'tis surely going to be a challenge.
ok just throwing this out there, what do you think the probability is that he reaches certain levels with no ranged attacks and no pets.
Level 10: 75%
Level 20: 50%
Level 40: 10%
Level 60: 5%
Level 70: 0.1%
I would have been more harsh on the chances, but since he mentioned guildies, I am going to guess that a large chunk of xp will come from runs through instances.
Level 10: 75%
Level 20: 50%
Level 40: 10%
Level 60: 5%
Level 70: 0.1%
I would have been more harsh on the chances, but since he mentioned guildies, I am going to guess that a large chunk of xp will come from runs through instances.
Without ranged attacks you won't even be able to kite anything on the run to greatly reduce hits you receive. I think you're going to end up relying on guildies being free and happy to instance run/quest with you to cover your ***. Cause you won't be able to tackle the world alone.... Although, I'd LOVE to see what you make of STV alone on a PvP server.
While you are still less than level 20. I would highly suggest getting the +10 haste to gloves enchant if you have the money. At equal to or less than level 10 it will give you a 26% speed increase to your melee weapons, and cuts down to about 10% at level 20.
When I started my hunter off, at level one I got him some level 1 gloves with this enchant and its like typing /godmode in the chat window without getting any errors. I'm still wearing those same gloves at level 30 with ~2% haste, I'll renew them soon.
Also, since you were looking at agility to strength ratios, I would like to suggest using something like:
1 point for
.5 agility
2 stamina
2 attack power
3 strength
or something along those lines, you definitely want to stack up on agility and some stamina for survivability.
When I started my hunter off, at level one I got him some level 1 gloves with this enchant and its like typing /godmode in the chat window without getting any errors. I'm still wearing those same gloves at level 30 with ~2% haste, I'll renew them soon.
Also, since you were looking at agility to strength ratios, I would like to suggest using something like:
1 point for
.5 agility
2 stamina
2 attack power
3 strength
or something along those lines, you definitely want to stack up on agility and some stamina for survivability.
There is a specialized melee build for hunters that used in PvP with great effectiveness though I don't know the details. That was for PvP though and not really PvE. I remember it was centered around the heavy use of the counter ability.
please what ever you do play it off like thats what you believe a hunter should be doing when ever someone asks.
randie: wheres your pet?
you: you're thinking of a druid you noob!
haha the joys you could have
randie: wheres your pet?
you: you're thinking of a druid you noob!
haha the joys you could have
zebug wrote:
ok just throwing this out there, what do you think the probability is that he reaches certain levels with no ranged attacks and no pets.
Level 10: 75%
Level 20: 50%
Level 40: 10%
Level 60: 5%
Level 70: 0.1%
I would have been more harsh on the chances, but since he mentioned guildies, I am going to guess that a large chunk of xp will come from runs through instances.
Level 10: 75%
Level 20: 50%
Level 40: 10%
Level 60: 5%
Level 70: 0.1%
I would have been more harsh on the chances, but since he mentioned guildies, I am going to guess that a large chunk of xp will come from runs through instances.
Well, I decided to roll on a completely new server (level 5 again), where I do not have any guildies (Darromere sp?). So go ahead and change the percents. Starting from scratch will make it more interesting imo. Anyway, even at level 5, it is hard to solo basic mobs. A mob 1 level higher than me can take out half my HP. I can't wait for traps :)
Looks like collection quests and green quests/mobs are going to make up the bulk of my xp.
I am also surprised I have not been completely flamed into oblivion for trying this out. Thanks for that. See you guys.
I think a hunter that doesn't use any ranged weapon or a pet is kind of like a warrior who has levelled without visiting the Warrior Trainer beyond level 6.
You just aren't given the tools to cope with the world (of Warcraft) in that manner. Plus you're only in leather.
But whatever. It's your life.
You just aren't given the tools to cope with the world (of Warcraft) in that manner. Plus you're only in leather.
But whatever. It's your life.
I would be very interested in your Stranglethorn Vale adventures. I think the kiting idea will not work very well in PvE, since mobs are very able to follow your movements, as opposted to players who might be fooled by a move such as running through him/her and applying wing clip.
I would suggest you take a pet, though, since you will be like a very crappy combination between a rogue and a warrior with no special abilities without one. You could just use the pet as an "emergency rescue button" to put on a mob that might come in to help his buddy that is at that point receiving a serious melee hunter beating. It can also be used to help you with just that tiny little extra DPS that might be required to take care of a tough mob.
You could pick kind of an "underdog" pet, such as a crab, to make yourself feel more special. Melee hunter with a crab pet would scare the crab...err...crap out of me.
I would suggest you take a pet, though, since you will be like a very crappy combination between a rogue and a warrior with no special abilities without one. You could just use the pet as an "emergency rescue button" to put on a mob that might come in to help his buddy that is at that point receiving a serious melee hunter beating. It can also be used to help you with just that tiny little extra DPS that might be required to take care of a tough mob.
You could pick kind of an "underdog" pet, such as a crab, to make yourself feel more special. Melee hunter with a crab pet would scare the crab...err...crap out of me.
Teodoc wrote:
You could pick kind of an "underdog" pet, such as a crab, to make yourself feel more special. Melee hunter with a crab pet would scare the crab...err...crap out of me.
I could, but in my eyes, that would be cheating. Caster stats however.......
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