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#27 Apr 18 2008 at 7:16 AM Rating: Excellent
Immunios wrote:
Cap, where did you get your facts?

Blizzard Site wrote:

Years after the destruction of Draenor, the immensely powerful Lich King created a new breed of death knights: malevolent, rune-wielding warriors
of the Scourge. The first and greatest of these was Prince Arthas Menethil, once a mighty paladin of the Silver Hand, who sacrificed his soul to claim the runeblade Frostmourne in a desperate bid to save his people.

Unlike Gul'dan's death knights, modern death knights consist mainly of paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King in exchange for the promise of immortality. Death knights who fall in battle are soon raised again to continue in their master's service.


The source is
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/deathknight/lore.xml

"Paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King..."


They aren't all paladins who consciously did it. Read up on the 4 horsemen in Naxx, none of them willingly became a servant of the Lich King, most notably Mograine.

I'm not saying there weren't volunteers, but everything I said still holds with that information.
#28 Apr 26 2008 at 9:43 AM Rating: Default
Immunios, first off what you posted did not state that all Death Knights were fallen paladins only most of them were which means there are others that will not be fallen paladins.

Now secondly here are the races I belive will and will not be able to be death knights and my reasons.

Alliance

Humans- I think this one is a bit obvious humans are pretty much one of the most corrupptable races and they already comprize most of the litch kings death knights.

Gnomes- I think blizz will give gnomes the ability to be death knights because besides the humans of the alliance races they are pretty much the only ones who have a more evil alignment, also it would be awsome to see a gnome wielding a runesword 4x his size >.>.

Night Elves- I don't think that night elves will be able to be death knights for the reason of they have a strong will and a prominate good alignment throughout their race, plus their interaction with the scourge was a brief one which ended with the destruction of almost all scourge forces at the battle of mount Hyjal.

Draenei- Another obvious one the Draenei have barely encoutered the scourge as they are aliens from another planet that just recently arrived on Azeroth, they also worship a race of beings of pure light which protect them and their race also has a prominate good alignment.


Dwarves- I'm a bit iffy on this one their race has a Prominate good alignment but they seem more corruptable than the night elves do and they have had much more encounters with the scourge though none involeing a particularly large amount of dwarves the only dwarves that I know encoutered the scourge are Mauradin's Expedition and the few dwarves that were fighting with the human armys being as the scourge never came close to the dwarves homeland where it would be more likely they would find suitable dwarves to be death knights so i'm not too sure as whether or not there will be Dwarf Death Kinghts in Wrath.


Horde.

Orcs- Obviously their are corrupt orcs as their example of being the largest race in the shadow councle and there were Orc Death Kinghts durring the second war so it stands to reason that some of them might be lured back to that source of power by the litch king.((though I think from the Lore that I heard the Second war DK's were actually more akin to Dark Shaman mixed with Necros))

Undead- This is yet another obvious one the Forsaken are all ex-members of the scourge who broke free of the litch kings will so obviously some Death Knights will ally themselves here after becomeing free.

Blood Elves- All and all the high elves were a good aligned race but were very succeptable to corruption(ie. Kael'thas following Illadin and then Kil'jaden and the highbornes previous attepmt to bring sargeras into the world thousands of years ago) and the fact that most of their race was wiped out during Arthas' attack on the sunwell and with them also being a magicly inclined race I'm sure their were quite a few of them that the litch king wanted as death knights.


Tauren- Their strong good Alignment and strong will lead me to belive that they will not be Death Knights in Wrath.

Trolls- I'm not too sure about these but I doubt they would have any darkspear death knights given they have a very brief encouter with the scourge during the battles leading up to the battle of mount hyjal.(I also doubt that blizz would let 4 horde races be Death Knights where as there are 2 alliance races that pretty much DO NOT fit into a likely cause for them becomeing death knights.)



Now Thirdly, As to the question about why there are free willed death knights now I think it might have something to do with the new plague that the forsaken are releaseing in northerend at the release of Wrath I'm guessing it has propertys that can break the litch kings control on some of his minions giveing them their free will back.


So all in all I think Likely there will be 2 maybe 3 Alliance Death Knight races and 3 horde death knight races.
#29 Apr 27 2008 at 11:56 PM Rating: Default
Well, the alliance race will be human. The video on the WotLK site shows a human paladin becoming a DK.
Since Death Knights are ex-paladins, the horde side would only leave blood elves, although the undead would look much better...

Edited, Apr 28th 2008 3:56am by MyByte
#30 Apr 28 2008 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
Immunios wrote:
Cap, where did you get your facts?
Blizzard Site wrote:

Years after the destruction of Draenor, the immensely powerful Lich King created a new breed of death knights: malevolent, rune-wielding warriors
of the Scourge. The first and greatest of these was Prince Arthas Menethil, once a mighty paladin of the Silver Hand, who sacrificed his soul to claim the runeblade Frostmourne in a desperate bid to save his people.

Unlike Gul'dan's death knights, modern death knights consist mainly of paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King in exchange for the promise of immortality. Death knights who fall in battle are soon raised again to continue in their master's service.
The source is
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/deathknight/lore.xml

"Paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King..."

You have misinterpreted the web page. Death Knight ex-paladins who serve the Lich king are mobs, not player characters.
#31 May 13 2008 at 1:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Would like to point out, yes indeed EVERY race will be able to be a Death Knight. You can follow the links on WoW's official homepage to some articles discussing the latest on WotLK.

Personally I think this. As the Cap has stated multiple times in this thread you don't have to be a Paladin and fall to become a Death Knight, they are just the most common due to their role in taking on the undead. So it makes sense that any race can be a DK as all races will take part in fighting, and dieing to, the Scourge.

Side note: it's always bothered me that the Forsaken are only "human". Why can't you make a Forsaken that was an Elf in life (like Sylvanas)? Or an "Orc" Forsaken? Would be funny to have a little "Gnome" Forsaken running around to. It's not like Humans are the only ones to die >.>

EDIT: I just realized how old some of these posts are, lol. Normally I jsut look at the Paly forum and leave, so this is the first time I been on the new DK forum. Oops, my bad.

Edited, May 13th 2008 2:44am by Maulgak
#32 May 15 2008 at 5:37 AM Rating: Excellent
There's like 16 threads in here, I don't think you have to worry about necroposting =P
#33 May 15 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Default
http://wow.curse.com/articles/details/9634/

All races will be able to be DK, and anyone with a lvl 55 toon will be able to become a DK. Unless Blizz is giving false info to these guys.
#34 May 16 2008 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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Maulgak wrote:
Side note: it's always bothered me that the Forsaken are only "human". Why can't you make a Forsaken that was an Elf in life (like Sylvanas)? Or an "Orc" Forsaken? Would be funny to have a little "Gnome" Forsaken running around to. It's not like Humans are the only ones to die >.>


I've met RPers who RP fallen High Elves. In fact, a decent percentage of Forsaken are supposed to be fallen High Elves (obviously Sylvanas included) because there were High Elf mages and some other troops with the humans at the kingdom of Lordaeron.
#35 May 16 2008 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Raglu wrote:
Maulgak wrote:
Side note: it's always bothered me that the Forsaken are only "human". Why can't you make a Forsaken that was an Elf in life (like Sylvanas)? Or an "Orc" Forsaken? Would be funny to have a little "Gnome" Forsaken running around to. It's not like Humans are the only ones to die >.>


I've met RPers who RP fallen High Elves. In fact, a decent percentage of Forsaken are supposed to be fallen High Elves (obviously Sylvanas included) because there were High Elf mages and some other troops with the humans at the kingdom of Lordaeron.


While that may be true, you can't actually be a fallen High Elf. I'm more referring to the cosmetic side of the race, not from an RP perspective. I suppose some races as an undead wouldn't make quite as much sense as Humans do, but as you pointed out, an Elf skin Forsaken would make perfect sense, and I wish you were allowed the option instead of just a Human skin.
#36 May 16 2008 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
You know when you walk into scholomance and you see gnome necromancers? why not a gnome deathknight? =D
#37 May 16 2008 at 9:10 PM Rating: Decent
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there is a link to a interview with the devs on this site, that says all races will be able to play as a death knight, as well once a single character on your account on a server reaches level 55 you will gain the ability to create a DK (on same server as the original character) unfortunetly it also says that you are only allowed 1 DK per server.

Edited, May 17th 2008 1:12am by FreeTrial
#38 May 19 2008 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Immunios wrote:
Cap, where did you get your facts?

Blizzard Site wrote:

Unlike Gul'dan's death knights, modern death knights consist mainly of paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King in exchange for the promise of immortality. Death knights who fall in battle are soon raised again to continue in their master's service.


The source is
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/deathknight/lore.xml

"Paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King..."


I like how you leave out 'Mainly' in your quote.
#39REDACTED, Posted: Jun 15 2008 at 3:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I would choose draenei. DK will be kina easy to kill in PvE is he´s not in frost talents for armor, because he doesn't have any hability to heal himself. Draeneis have the racial hability, gift of the naaru, that allows a slow healing that will help you tanking or even in crowd control.
#40REDACTED, Posted: Jun 15 2008 at 3:09 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) and all races will be available to use DK.
#41REDACTED, Posted: Jun 15 2008 at 3:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) « better than
#42 Jun 15 2008 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Warriors don't have heals and they do just fine on their own. Same with Rogues and Mages, and Hunters and Locks (though they have pets, so it's a bit different :P).

Please, don't make 3 posts in a row. Just edit your first post from now on.
#43 Jun 16 2008 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Mehdik wrote:
Would love to know more. Maybe I'll reread the official blizzard site again.

If created before Arthas it brings up even more questions like where have they been hiding out these past few years?


If they do start where the entrance to Naxx was then Blizz could say they were locked into some cellar type of thing and the building was built over the doors. It would fly for a few days because everyone and their mom will be saying "OMFGWTFBBQPWN DKs ARE TEH SHIZZ0RZ AND TEH SECKS!!"

I don't really mind what race they are, I would like an undead or troll maybe(just because probably only 3 out of 10 million subscribers would think of a troll DK) for the Horde. Draenei or gnome DK sounds like teh secks to me, or maybe a nelf so I can look like The Count so it would fit nicely.
#44 Jun 16 2008 at 11:14 AM Rating: Default
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King: Friends and Family Alpha

Build 8471:

*bunch of crap not pertaining to Death Knights.*

The Death Knight Hero class is now available for play. Death Knights will now start with 0 talent points at level 55. Players will need to talk with Alexander, Master of Death at Light’s Hope Chapel to complete a quest before receiving the appropriate level talent points. Creating a new Death Knight will start you at level 55 in Eastern Plaguelands. No starting quests are implemented though Death Knight abilities will be available for testing.


You start in Ebon Hold which is connected to Tyrs Hand. You will not be anywhere near Naxx, because Naxx is being moved during an event in an upcoming patch to Northrend.


Death Knights are for all races. Blizzard has always stated they adapt lore based on game and player wants/needs. Get over it.

Edited, Jun 16th 2008 12:15pm by SillyGnomeMage
#45 Jun 16 2008 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
Immunios wrote:
Cap, where did you get your facts?

Blizzard Site wrote:

Years after the destruction of Draenor, the immensely powerful Lich King created a new breed of death knights: malevolent, rune-wielding warriors
of the Scourge. The first and greatest of these was Prince Arthas Menethil, once a mighty paladin of the Silver Hand, who sacrificed his soul to claim the runeblade Frostmourne in a desperate bid to save his people.

Unlike Gul'dan's death knights, modern death knights consist mainly of paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King in exchange for the promise of immortality. Death knights who fall in battle are soon raised again to continue in their master's service.


The source is
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wrath/features/deathknight/lore.xml

"Paladins who lost their faith and pledged their souls to the Lich King..."

So, what part of the word "mainly" did you fail to understand?

Compact Oxford English Dictionary wrote:
mainly

• adverb more than anything else; for the most part


You seem to be under the delusion that "mainly" means "only".

Not only that, but the quote you stated is for those DKs that are still under the Lich King's control. e.g. Mobs - the death knights that players will have to fight in order to get to the Lich king himself. It's quite possible that the DK's that have broken free of control are mainly from other classes.

#46 Jun 22 2008 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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It would make sense for Blizzard to make Death Knight available for all classes since you can't start a Death Knight from level 1.
#47 Jun 22 2008 at 3:49 PM Rating: Default
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fiercestcalm wrote:
Very established. :) It's been about everywhere. Just not for a while.

FangXLR wrote:
I really hope blizz tries to stick with lore on this one, it would be nice to see them try to continue their little universe without straying from the path to please a few players.


So we've not had a gnome death knight in before. Allowing them now isn't going against any lore. It's just not happened yet. Unless you've seen something where it states that only certain races could ever be death knights?

You're asking them to not stray to pleaser "a few players"... I think you would be a member of "the few" in this case.


Gnome DKs would never happen, they're too evil even for Arthas.

How can someone who still socks from the washer not be the bane of our existance?

Damn sock gnomes anyway!!
#48 Jul 21 2008 at 6:36 PM Rating: Default
This has bothered me a lot too...

So far its all races but in my opinion it should be Human, Dreanei (hey, they're pallys and they fight the scourge -all lore bases prerequisites there), and Dwarfs. And Orcs (Old DKs, remember?), Undead (Duh), and BE (like Draenei).

No room for NE, Gnomes, Tauren or Trolls in lore.
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