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#1 Apr 13 2008 at 7:50 AM Rating: Excellent
For a holy pala, what should be my ordinary libram to use?
I thought that Blessed Book of Nagrand must be the best since i mostly flash heal and it gives +79 healing on that.
I do see that most pallys use their Libram of Souls Redeemed. Doesnt it only give +healing when I heal someone with blessing of light? And less +healing for flash heals, +60? So if I dont heal only a tank with that blessing on him and uses quite alot of big heals i cant see how the redeemed can be better?
So now go ahead and tell me how I have missunderstod this! Thanks!

Edited, Apr 13th 2008 3:02pm by sessa
#2 Apr 13 2008 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Blessed Book of Nagrad is something I wish I hadn't got rid of.

Libram of Souls Redeemed is the raid libram, easy enough to get out of Kara. Your tanks will always have BoL on them.

The HL Libram drops out of SSC but with change to BoL with downranked HL it is no longer viable, at all.
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#3 Apr 13 2008 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks boddi, i have all 3 of the librams u mentioned. Im still not convinced though that redeem is the best even for raiding. As long as i mostly flashheal Nagrand should give alittle more, shouldnt it? and if i turn to heal up a lock or something they might not have light on them. are ppl using macros to change libram before big heals? And if Nagrand is a really good libram, shouldnt the old Naxxrama-one be even better, Libram of Light Havnt seen anyone with that one though.

Edited, Apr 13th 2008 3:03pm by sessa
#4 Apr 13 2008 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
I think you can make a case for the naxx libram being the best on in the game, defiantly. Its not all that surprising that level 60 stuff is still good. The rejuv gem is one of the best trinkets in the game for paladins, scarab is one of the best tanking trinkets, and I think there was a dps one that was still pretty good as well. Good luck getting in a naxx group though.
#5 Apr 13 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
lol yeah, guess i can forget about naxx, specially since i started playing after tbc and dont have any attunements or knowledge, and also the drop-rate being really low. But still, am i right in the redeem libram very rarely being the best choice?
#6 Apr 13 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
It depends on the situation. If you're only healing main tank, and he has light, yes. If you are raid healing and every person in the raid has light, yes. If you are using Holy Light frequently, no. If you are raid healing and the raid does not all have light on it, no.
#7 Apr 13 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Dilbrt wrote:
Good luck getting in a naxx group though.


Depends on what server/guild you're in. My guild regularly runs Zul'Gurub for rep, as the enchanting formulas Brilliant Mana Oil and Brilliant Wizard Oil are still good for caster DPS and healers.

We're doing Onyxia as well (easy gold) and planning on doing MC and BWL. And some have even said they'd like to go to Naxx as well. The legendary staff is a good showoff piece, and it has portal to Kara.

Cheers :)
#8 Apr 13 2008 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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sessa wrote:
Thanks boddi, i have all 3 of the librams u mentioned. Im still not convinced though that redeem is the best even for raiding. As long as i mostly flashheal Nagrand should give alittle more, shouldnt it? and if i turn to heal up a lock or something they might not have light on them. are ppl using macros to change libram before big heals? And if Nagrand is a really good libram, shouldnt the old Naxxrama-one be even better, Libram of Light Havnt seen anyone with that one though.

Edited, Apr 13th 2008 3:03pm by sessa


For early raiding you are going to be using a lot of FoL. Later on you will come to rely more and more on HL or else you will quickly become the worst healer in your raid and completely marginalized.

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#9 Apr 14 2008 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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This seems like a good time to tell you about "Librameister", its an addon which switches librams depending on the spell you are casting, and whether or not the target has BoL or not. Since the libram slot is a weapon slot you can switch librams in combat, so (in theory) can always have the right libram at the right time.

At the mo I run Bleesed Book of Nagrand when i cast FoL on targets without light, Libram of Absolute Truth when i cast HL on targets without light, and finally Libram of Souls Redeemed when i cast on anything with light.

It is a bit limited at the moment, it doesn't distinguish between FoL and HL when the target has light, so you're losing a little when you FoL the tank (only a problem since the patch) and it doesn't allow Libram of Mending to be used in tandem with Libram of Absolute Truth for maximum mana efficiency yet.

I have recently been pointed in the direction of a mod called "Holy Librams!", but I havn't tried it yet so can't really recommend it. You can find both on curse (not gonna link because I dont know if you like offsite linking or not).
#10 Apr 14 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
thanks boys for all nice responds. Tiny, i will deffo look into those addons. your post was just the kinda respond i was hoping for, very instructive. And Boddi, yeah, I will try and use holy light more, i dont wanna be marginalized :-)
#11 Apr 14 2008 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok I tried Holy Librams! and quite liked it, it combines the two holy light librams for maximum mana efficiency when holy lighting, also has two modes "max heal" and "mp5", which choses different librams for different situations.

The bad news is it has no menu system so only really works if you have all the librams it thinks you should have, I fiddled around with the actual mod files themselves to get what I wanted.

If you know your way around addons and dont mind modifying the script a bit, Holy Librams! is probably more flexible, but I still recommend Librameister.
#12 Apr 15 2008 at 12:53 AM Rating: Good
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Dilbrt wrote:
I think there was a dps one that was still pretty good as well.


Neltharion's Tear and the trinket off of Sapphiron are still arguably great.

forwald wrote:
My guild regularly runs Zul'Gurub for rep, as the enchanting formulas Brilliant Mana Oil and Brilliant Wizard Oil are still good for caster DPS and healers.


Indeed. Any crit heavy caster class will probably indeed find that oil better than Superior(I use Brilliant Wizard Oil exclusively). Shadowpriests and Affliction locks are probably the only ones who won't find it as useful.
#13 Apr 15 2008 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
doesn`t changing librams cause your global cooldown?
#14 Apr 15 2008 at 3:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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It does if you do it before you cast, but if you change immediately after you start casting (which the libram swapper mods do), you don't trigger cooldown AND get the effect of the libram. The mod is completely passive in that regard, you I just heal away like i've always done.
#15 Apr 17 2008 at 7:16 AM Rating: Decent
I`m useing that mod "holy librams" its awesome... very cool. mod, thanks for letting me and others know it exists... makes switching librams much more fun, no more doin it the old fashined way for me.
#16 Apr 17 2008 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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I just got my Libram of Mending last night, played around with macros and swapping them in and out. As far as I can tell, swapping the librams doesn't trigger the GCD. At least while right clicking it when it's in your inventory, it's an instant swap, no GCD. I still wrote my macros with the cast spell first, just to be on the safe side.
#17 Apr 17 2008 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
it doesn`t cause any cooldown while NOT in combat, but does while IN combat. Try this mod out ( holy librams ) makes it all ver simple... its on curse by the way. Its also posted above.
#18 Apr 17 2008 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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There would be the rub. I hadn't tried it out in combat.
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