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The Edge of Opression is shiny.

http://wowhead.com/?item=34606

1.3 speed and shiny stats.

Would it be worth going Combat Daggers because of how ridiculous it is? I mean, in theory it has higher DPS then the Badge OH Fist and the OH Dagger because of the speed, not to mention the shiny Haste rating its got.

So would it be worth going Combat Daggers if I got this? Or could I go something like Fist + Dagger to take advantage of it?

Any thoughts about feasibilit? Or am I just a ********

Aye aye! Was just making sure cause that 1.3 Speed looked sooooo tempting.

So its just a shiny piece of trash to trick poor unsuspecting Rogues into doing something stupid?

If all you're doing is sticking to a target 24/7 doing poor damage why are you mut and not ShS?

It is fairly large when you're trying to burst someone down, yes. Honestly, use a weaponswap if you want to "spam" shiv to peel. You're going to have plenty of time to do so if you're switching targets.

Edited, Apr 13th 2008 2:04am by Kavekk

You can still use a weaponswap macro to change if you're switching targets, don't dodge the point. In fact, you could anyway. besides which, you may well need to spam shiv to peel, depending what comp you are playing vs.

If the difference is negligible, then the speed of your MH does not matter much either. In fact, make it faster so you get more poison procs! Your OH hits as hard as your MH with Mutilate (the attack, not the spec).

With the ability Mutilate? Yeah, it hits 100 or so less, which according to you is insignificant, seeing as that's the difference between a 1.3 speed OH and a 1.8 speed OH.

Are you so ignorant of game emchanics that you ahve to refuse to adress the weaponswap macro? Maybe you don't know what it is?

1) If you're leaving your current target to shiv you have the time to weaponswap.

2) Only the base damage on a Mutilate is affected by the OH damage reduction. The bonus damage the attack gives is not. The OH hits literally about 100 less with Mutilate.

3) You can't do basic maths. Avg damage of Mutilator is 185.5, avg damage of 1.5 is 154.5. Average damage difference on a mutilate is 15.5 without DW spec and 23.25 with it. However, that is before bonuses are calculated. Both increase by the same amount, yes, but the numerical difference between them increases.

483.1875 with Mutilator

448.3125 with 1.5 speed

= 34.875 damage. This would be bumped up to about 50-60 difference with AP factored in.

4) It's not a massive deal, but neither is 3 energy over a period of time (say 10 seconds).

5) I suppose you think Merc Gladiators with 1.8 speed offhands are morons as well, Theophany? Your arrogance is astounding. Maybe you should get farmed at 1.6k with 3/5 vengeful a little more. Might be a humbling experience for you. Oh wait, you don't have a choice.

6) That's pretty much it. I assumed you meant a 1.3 vs a 1.8, where the difference really would be 100 damage, but no matter, that was my mistake for not looking at how much less energy shiv was costing in your example.

I don't get "farmed" at 1.6k. Check my arena teams more before you insult me. I was a Rival last season one place away from Duelist with a priest that had 7k HP. He hasn't played at all this season, and in our first 34 games, we went 20-14, half of which he was PvE specced, and the others he respecced to a horrible disc spec.

My 5s is there to get points for alts as well as points for myself as it's nearing the end of S3.

My arrogance is justified. My knowledge of the class and this game outweighs what you know and have experienced. The reason merc glads choose the Mutilator over the Shiv is obvious; they prefer the burst that comes from having a 1.80 speed OH. Given a choice between the two, I'd probably take it as well.

What I was pointing out is that there's not a significant difference between the Mutilator or the Shiv. In season's past, you didn't see glads that had arena points coming out their ears spending the 2625 points for a second Shanker, did you? Nope, that's what I thought.

If it was really a significant difference, they'd have been picking up that second Shanker instead of the Shiv.

I really don't know which I'd prefer. I've never played Mut with the option of a good OH at 1.8 speed, and I'm used to shivving with 34/35 shivs, so it'd probably be pretty awkward to play.

Ghostly strike.

You're entirely correct, though. I'm not sure what I was thinking. Although, it isn't irony because it wasn't mathematics I failed at, it was just using my brain. I know Mutilate is normalised. I was just being retarded.

(I may be wrong but no way am I letting irony win this one).

EDIT: Nevermind, I recall what I was thinking now. I refuse to tell any of you, however.

Edited, Apr 14th 2008 11:26am by Kavekk

Translation: "I am going to claim that I am better than my teammates, but I cannot find a good partner. This may in fact be so; regardless, I have achieved mediocre success... before reaching the Arena rating where people start to actually have some modicum of playskill."



Translation: "Soon, my problems will be over and then I'll SHOW YOU! Yeah! You'll, like, be all sorry and stuff."

Alternate Translation: "But just you wait! I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog too! Mwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!"



Translation: "Oy... I should have used more KY."

EDIT: On a slightly more serious tone; you may, in fact, be much better than your partners and just awash in a sea of extremely skilled but low-rated players. That doesn't by any measure make you a PvP god.

Edited, Apr 14th 2008 4:20pm by RPZip

I've never said that I was a PvP god. I know that I'm good at PvP (you can read my thread or talk to some people that I've played with on my server--Pars, Makoto, Furyslayer, and Locstah to name a few), but I also know that I have a ways to go before I'm one of the best rogues out there. I freely acknowledge that.

What I don't acknowledge is that I'm bad. The odds are stacked against me; I have two options as far as partners in 2v2 goes at the moment, Umbrage (who is said whiny priest), or Pars, who is a great feral druid, but is not very enthusiastic about 2v2s because the comp we'd play is so goddamn hard.

I'm actually gearing up my priest right now to play in S4 and WotLK. The way that things are going, it's much easier to find a team as a dpriest, and much easier to get higher rated. My rogue is very limited when it comes to choice in classes he can partner with, as either players 1) aren't good on Draka, 2) they're the wrong class, or 3) they already have a good team.

And yes, RP, people have full S3--including shoulders and weapons--starting at around 1700 in Vengeance. I'm assuming that most other players are seeing it now too; the Gladiators are getting their friends points by playing on their teams and carrying them.

But while I may not be Gladiator material, there's certainly something to be said for being Duelist material on one of the hardest BGs out there. Were Pars and I on Emberstorm, we'd be Gladiators, easily. Not going up against as many counter-comps from servers like Korgath makes it easier to progress faster.