warrior dps in 5mansFollow

I run guild instances/raids with my arms warrior. I normally am PVPing with him, but a well rounded toon needs instances/raids etc. to get stuff not available through PVP.

One thing he can offer the run is off-tanking. I've collected enough stuff to put on 490 defense when necassary. Some pulls require an offtank. I can't hold agro like a tank, but with care it works.

You'll pick up tank gear as you make these runs. If you PVP, there's another way to gear up for offtank. As you upgrade your PVP pieces, keep the old stuff if it can be gemmed or enchanted for defense, dodge, stam, etc. That's most everything on the left side of the character page from the helm on down. Warrior PVP rewards have huge stam numbers on them. The bonus is that they have strength and crit that normal tank pieces don't have.

If you're obsessed with staying on top of the damage charts, it will take some getting used to. Not all pulls will need offtank, but enough of them will pull you down the chart.

Hope this helps. Good Luck.

You could always make friends with a good prot pally, since most of the geared prot pallies don't care about CC.

Just don't roll on his tanking gear when it drops.

Heres on thing people take for granted if they invite a non tank warrior. Lets say the tank is going down and the healer is out of mana. Happens alot in PuG's. So which DPS is going to shield up, hit challenging shout, Shield wall, and save the day? The mage? The warlock? I don't think so. I surprisingly got accepted into a shattered halls group as a DPS (Only because I had the key) and I prevented 2 wipes by doing that. Not to mention theres nothing like having execute when the boss is below 20%.

What warriors lack in sheer DPS they make up for in utility. IF I happen to aggro a couple mobs in the mix, no big deal. I've got 330 resilience, 12k HP and 10k armor unbuffed. I can take a beating for a bit till the rest of the group catches up. That and commanding shout is a nice little perk. And its constant DPS.

Having played fury warrior a bit (no raid experience with him, mostly 5 mans) I can say from MY experience that getting into a group is rather hard, and I can fully understand why my warrior is the last choice people will have on their groups.

People talk about taking fury warriors for heroic magister's terrace (for example) if he has T5 or equivalent gear, having such gear is outgearing the instance. When you outgear something, don't be surprised you don't have a problem with it, you will not be surprised if a group of 70s do very well in the slave pens(normal), right?

When you take a character with gear level equal to that of the instance, fury warriors bring almost nothing to the table compared to other options, no CC(THE killer in 5 man PuGs), not too much buffing, some debuffing and even rather good ones if tank ain't already a warrior, VERY sensitive to damage(berserker stance and melee range is the problem) and no threat dump whatsoever. You CAN off tank some fights, but at the "cost" of bringing a fury, any other character will bring more, for example a feral druid will bring off tanking+battle res+innervate+little off healing.

You might find groups at 70, and if you go with friends it'll be much easier as well, but you should know that DPS warrior is not the best option for 5 man, in fact, in my opinion it's one of the worst, that is the reason I have stopped playing my warrior(for now).

On the other hand, you said that you plan to instance alot from 60 to 70, therefore having a warrior is quite handy as tanks, at least on my realm, are always needed, if you farm instances you'll have rather easy time as prot.

The most important thing to remember is that this is your character and you should do what you want to with it, if you want to play fury then go ahead and have fun.

Have a nice day.

Those are not really considered dps stats.

AP, crit, hit, etc...

But your point remains the same.

PvP gear can perform in PvE. But really, only as an arms (MS) build can it do any real damage, and then only on par with a 2h warrior in mediocre (mostly blue, and a few epics sure...) gear that is aimed at PvE. An arena or crafted epic weapon does make a huge difference...

Edited, Apr 15th 2008 10:49pm by devioususer

This isn't really true. PvP gear is roughly equal to the Season plus 2 in terms of Tier gear; so S3 gear is roughly equivalent to T5. This would put S1 gear at not much better than T3 (or L70 Blues), but an actual PvP Warrior in full S3 will do quite well. Plus, of course, the weapons are pretty ridiculous. Hell, I'm pairing a S3 offhand with my Warglaive at the moment.

DPS Warriors are much maligned, and for no good reason. They're short on CC, albeit not entirely absent, have an interrupt and good utility abilities. They tend to combine best with non-Warrior tanks, since giving a Bear or Paladin Demo Shout and Thunderclap is a pretty huge decrease in their incoming damage, as well as Sunders helping other melee in the group (on the longer fights, anyway).

The ability to taunt mobs that get on the healer or otherwise go loose is their CC; if you use it incorrectly that's your problem, but it's no more fair than saying that all Hunters are worthless because there are morons who can't figure out how to use traps.

Incidentally, DPS Warriors can easily tank MrT. The vast majority of damage is magic-based, and Spell Reflect works absolute wonders. If you pick a caster as the first DPS target, reflecting their first spell means you can easily pick up aggro on everything else.

I usually don't have a problem getting groups for most 5-mans. Including heroics, but that is because if I want to do it enough I will start the group myself grabbing a tank first. Some days are more difficult than others butI have had the same problems on my lock (before we became so popular for some reason ;) ).

@FaberRDH: Those numbers seem about right. Is that AP including your BS though?
because selfbuffed in zerker stance I have 2400 AP, 25% crit and put out 600-700dps. More constrained usually by pulling aggro than anything else.

As for catform dps for feral: druids also have no aggro dump so their dps is affected by the amount of threat the tanks put out. So again - even with really awesome gear (full epics: 142 hit, 3k AP, 35% crit) - I can usually in 5 mans pull off only about 800dps.

Remember - a good dps is one who puts out dps to their max potential WITHOUT pulling aggro.

@Squirrel, can you post a link to your armory? Are you in the same guild as froman? I think I remember reading something about you two being in the same guild. Just curious is all.

On a side note to Magisters Terrace
firstly:
the random group that hangs with 3rd Boss (priestess) can be reset until a good group (one that dosen't have awarrior & rogue in it) is set this is done taking the route at the left side of the first roundabout (before getting to 1st Boss Selin Fireheart)when at this position you are directly above 3rd boss and if enabled can see npc name tags. take alook at the make-up, if not as you would please-all run out and reset. The next goup make-up at 3rd boss may be much better. this can be done everal times, with only a small amount of trashto clear.

secondly:
the fury warrior can be an awesome asset here especially if the tank your using can heal in off speck. The fury warrior can tank the 2nd Boss while the group gets the benifit from the extra heals.

My average DPS for an instance on my rogue tends to be 600-700 depending on the specifics. I'm wearing mostly 70's blues with misenchanted S1 weapons (though to be fair, this isn't in heroics). If the rogue had comparable gear to you (*very* nice gear, btw), he should have been cranking out more DPS than that, especially with Salv. Guess if I ever gear my Rogue that well, I'll get to see what I can do.