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No.

3rd on DPS in Kara is like saying, "hay guyz, i don't suck THAT bad!!!"

Keep in mind that any Kara group will have the following:

2-3 tanks
2-4 healers, usually on the heavier side if your guild doesn't clear it in 2 hours like T6 guilds.

That leaves 4-6 spots for DPS. So when you say you placed 3rd, you're really saying that you suck and should respec combat swords.

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Start there.

Hunters, locks, spriests and (to a lesser extent) mages have to worry more about CC in Kara than a rogue. CC takes time away from DPS rotations. Not to mention they have the mana issue to deal with. Generally, Kara isn't the "best" place for a rogue to shine, but at least you're almost entirely focused on pure DPS output (with a few interrupts and an occasional off-tank role thrown in).


And I was third last night in the first half of our weekly Kara run. By a massive .8% according to Recount. Argh!!!!! I'm ashamed and full of anger at my lack of focus on the Curator's adds!

My Kara group has a friendly rivalry between 3 of us DPSers. Rest assured, this loss will be avenged! My point is that being 3rd on the meter is relative.

Movement? In Kara?

What fight are you talking about, other than Prince?

You honestly have no idea what you're talking about. In heavy sub you're going to be doing the same thing, just replacing SS with Hemo.

From what I understand--and I may easily be wrong here--but isn't the Hemo buff only of practical use in 25-mans? Meaning that there isn't enough melee DPS players in a 10 man or instance group to benefit more than the loss in personal DPS of one?

It's a buff regardless of how many players of course. But the tipping point I've heard is minimum 4 equally geared melee DPS plus the Hemo rogue. I'll add this to the "things to look up" list. Just bringing it up for clarification in the thread.

Hemo is a physical dps buff, meaning hunters(and their pets) + melee benefit from the hemo debuff. In a 25 man(2-3 tanks, 4 melee dps, 2-3 hunters, 2-3 pets, 10 physical dps minimum) you will never see the hemo debuff, it just disappears way too quickly. In 10mans, its more of a personal buff/tank buff as you usually don't run kara/za with a full melee group(enhance shammy, feral druid, dps warr, and 2 rogues).

And as step spec the hemo debuff doesn't come close to helping with the loss of personal dps compared to combat. And outside the Prince fight there is absolutely 0 benefit to being step spec in kara. On Prince tho, its really fun to never have to run out as cheat death will keep you alive every time you get enfeebled(provided you don't get an infernal drop on you at the exact same time, but thats what clos is for). I crushed an equally gear combat rogue as step spec on prince by being able to dps 100% of the time as he had to run out 4-5 times because of enfeebles(had a feral druid tanking and rupture was ticking for 400ish), was really fun i do admit. But the rest of the time the other rogue was killing me, beat me by like 10% on shade for instance.

**armory isn't working for Valendil, keeps trying to show some lvl 14 druid, already sent them an error email, course that was 2 days ago, feel free to send em another one if its still not working.

Edited, Apr 11th 2008 3:12pm by mahlerite

Sub isn't a raid tree.

This argument gets done every other week.

You can raid with ShS or some combat/sub hybrid if you want. Just don't tell us how awesome it is, because we know just how awesome it isn't.

What about a guild's respect for its members? Sure, everybody wants to do well, but not to the point where they're forcing fellow players to die of boredom in exchange for 2-3% extra efficiency. If all hemo charges are used up - and they will be - then the raid damage is only a few percent behind. Your personal damage will be much lower, and it's up to you whether or not you can live with that (a lot of rogues seem to have some kind of deep insecurity here), but there is absolutely no reason why a guild should have a problem with it (if the marginal difference is enough to wipe the raid then there are bigger problems). An enhancement shaman healing is not viable, a fury warrior tanking is not viable, but a subtlety rogue raiding is perfectly viable; not optimal, but viable.

If your guild is ok with it, then you already have your answer (and if they weren't ok with it, you should look for a new one).

It is not often that I am suprised and amazed. But today it happened.

I am both suprised and amazed at exactly how much of a complete Richard Theo is.

Bravo Take a bow Theo. Your epeen must be raw by the amount of stroking you seem to give it.

Thank you. That is all.

playing on my lock in kara, im rarely beaten by any spec rogue, when i play my mates rogue i come 2nd/3rd.

rogues get it easy at 1st with amount of hit they have on their gear, then when other classes get the minimum for their specs rogues fall into palce where they should be(3rd), even my fury warrior beats rogues in kara and he has 3 epixx, against full kara rogues.

but i have MUCH more fun on a hemo rogue than an SS spamming nub-class.


his e-peen is a self enlarged e-weener

...how is Combat Swords any more boring than ShS?

OMG! Instead of spamming SS you are spamming Hemo! ZOMG SO MUCH MORE FUN!!11!1!one!eleven!!!1

Doesn't mean its not true.

you're talking to a member of the choir. I know combat swords is the best. You just dont have to be a be a prick and a half to back up what you can proove. Thats all I am saying.

At no point will people disagree with you on the math but then totally fall in line iwth you cause you toss people under the bus.