If this has been posted somewhere very obvious I'm sorry for the redundance, however I've looked on this forum and the O-boards and nowhere have I found what the actual cast sequence is for top DPS with a 0/21/40 build.
Is it just shadowbolt and curse of something?
Or is it immolate with incinerate?
Is it dependant on whether you have the shadoweave set (which I do), if you do the immolate and incinerate should you go for spellfire set?
I am currently affliction but wanted to give this a go, but I wanted to know how to do the new spec properly before switching. I have seen many threads with the requirements gear wise so I'm covered on that basis.
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I think shadow spells are your best bet. Where are you raiding? My experience is only in Kara, but how it goes there is spam shadowbolts with curse of shadow on trash and put up dots on bosses and spam shadowbolts in between. I think I read on Elitist Jerks that destro doesn't really come into it's own unless you are maxed on spell hit. Link your armory and you'll get better replies.
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Edited, Apr 11th 2008 10:16am by Ailitardif
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Edited, Apr 11th 2008 10:16am by Ailitardif
Here is my armory - I know I know - I have not hit the required numbers needed.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moonrunner&n=Belaguez
I am currently doing Gruuls, Mag, and first bosses in SSC.
However, my question is a general hypothesis if you had the perfect gear needed - What would your spell cast sequence be.
At this point I've never used Incinerate...ever. But I was watching a video on Hyrdross from a locks point of view and it looked like the 2 or 3 locks in the raid were all using Incinerate nonstop.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moonrunner&n=Belaguez
I am currently doing Gruuls, Mag, and first bosses in SSC.
However, my question is a general hypothesis if you had the perfect gear needed - What would your spell cast sequence be.
At this point I've never used Incinerate...ever. But I was watching a video on Hyrdross from a locks point of view and it looked like the 2 or 3 locks in the raid were all using Incinerate nonstop.
If your on CoS/CoE/Coreck duty, cast that first, if not, then don't worry about a curse. Just SB spam. If you go with a fire Destro build you can always keep Immo up and Incinerate.
There's always been running debates over which is better, Fire Destro or Shadow Destro. In the end, they are very close to equal, with Shadow pulling ahead because of the ISB Debuff. In the end though, pick which one you like more.
For more info see this thread at The Warlocks Den:
http://wowmb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18089
There's always been running debates over which is better, Fire Destro or Shadow Destro. In the end, they are very close to equal, with Shadow pulling ahead because of the ISB Debuff. In the end though, pick which one you like more.
For more info see this thread at The Warlocks Den:
http://wowmb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18089
Thank you both - I've read those links and that's exactly what I was looking for.
Edit: Beaten.
Warlock's den says the fire build is good, but doesn't scale as well with gear as the shadow build does. So the better gear you get, the better shadow damage will be.
Edited, Apr 11th 2008 10:49am by Ailitardif
Warlock's den says the fire build is good, but doesn't scale as well with gear as the shadow build does. So the better gear you get, the better shadow damage will be.
Edited, Apr 11th 2008 10:49am by Ailitardif
Curses are by far the best damage/mana and damage/cast time of any spells in the game. Not putting one up is stupid. If you aren't on CoS/CoE/CoReck you better be on CoD or CoA. CoA is only better if you've got imp CoA and no Amp. Curse. Otherwise, use CoD.
is "warlock's den" like shadowpanther is for rogues? if so link please?
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My humble opinion: I use fire spells with CoE to enhance the fire dmg. when in raid i use CoS because they put me in the grp with a spriest, that makes him a 12v battery instead of 9v (joke right there). i think its obvious that there is no standard curse. u should look at ur party and ask yourself what can i do to improve my grp? (besides not pulling aggro and SSing the healer). if u have a mage that does wtf far more dmg than you, use CoE. if u have a shadow priest, CoS, and so on. I usualy use this combo: Immo, SB, SB, SB, Con. then rinse and again. but if anyone has a better one please share, thats the best combo i can think of (for raids, i suck at pvp).
Update - I have now switched to Destro with a 0/21/40 build, with a second warlock being added to our raid this has allowed me to sacrifice my pet. My DPS has increased signifcantly from Affliction.
My gear is still not up to where it needs to be BUT - where I am it's still sooo much fun.
With a fire mage in our raid, an elemental shaman with the totems and the other lock putting up COE I'm seeing consistent Incinerates of 3500-5500. We have no shadow priest so I'm casting fire spells due to improved scorch.
As someone else said in a forum somewhere, the goal is 202 hit and 20% crit - but if you are getting somewhat close then switch from Afflic because I saw an increase in my DPS.
Cast sequence has been COA or COD - then immolate - incinerate till immolate has 1-2 seconds left and conflagerate. Rinse and repeat - not sure if that's ideal but it's fun. Let me know if I can be doing something to raise the DPS even higher
My gear is still not up to where it needs to be BUT - where I am it's still sooo much fun.
With a fire mage in our raid, an elemental shaman with the totems and the other lock putting up COE I'm seeing consistent Incinerates of 3500-5500. We have no shadow priest so I'm casting fire spells due to improved scorch.
As someone else said in a forum somewhere, the goal is 202 hit and 20% crit - but if you are getting somewhat close then switch from Afflic because I saw an increase in my DPS.
Cast sequence has been COA or COD - then immolate - incinerate till immolate has 1-2 seconds left and conflagerate. Rinse and repeat - not sure if that's ideal but it's fun. Let me know if I can be doing something to raise the DPS even higher
Stop conflagging and you'll get better DPS.
Just throw out another immolate - incinerate sequence?
Is Conflag just a worthless talent than?
Is Conflag just a worthless talent than?
There are three times you'd use conflag.
1. PVP, instants are king
2. A finisher on trash mobs
3. Is highly situational, but if immolate is on the last tick and you are moving with no sign of stopping before the GCD is up and seeing as you'll have to recast immolate before your next incinerate anyways, conflag for a little bit of damage on the run.
1. PVP, instants are king
2. A finisher on trash mobs
3. Is highly situational, but if immolate is on the last tick and you are moving with no sign of stopping before the GCD is up and seeing as you'll have to recast immolate before your next incinerate anyways, conflag for a little bit of damage on the run.
Conflag right before aggro dumps in case of no Misdirect and missed Shield Slam, and even then I would usually just ignore it except on fights that's really hard to pick up aggro (Leo with no Searing Totem down, for example).
In raiding, the only time fire is better than shadow is when you have no shadow priest and no other shadow dealers, in which case you need to get a shadow priest.
In raiding, the only time fire is better than shadow is when you have no shadow priest and no other shadow dealers, in which case you need to get a shadow priest.
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question, why are you spamming fire spells with higher bonus dam in shadow you should be spamming sb with cos on - but be warned - a couple of 6k bolts and be ready with soulshatter or you will find yourself being the tank real quik - lmao
To Demaworc - I was originally casting fire spells because we had no shadow priest in the group but we did have mages with improved scorch.
As of yesterday I respecced a little to remove all fire spells and am now a one button machine - well two I guess - COS and then SB spam.
As of yesterday I respecced a little to remove all fire spells and am now a one button machine - well two I guess - COS and then SB spam.
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Hmmmm....
Back to the original topic, I'm a bit confused. Most of the destro builds I have seen, are something like this, with a heavy fire component which would make me think that the usual rotation would be something like:
1) CoS
2) Immolate
3) SB untill 1 or 2 needs to be reapplied.
Now, if the only thing you do is
1) Curse
2) SB
Wouldn't it make more sense to have something like this?
Also... is corrution then no longer relevant?
Back to the original topic, I'm a bit confused. Most of the destro builds I have seen, are something like this, with a heavy fire component which would make me think that the usual rotation would be something like:
1) CoS
2) Immolate
3) SB untill 1 or 2 needs to be reapplied.
Now, if the only thing you do is
1) Curse
2) SB
Wouldn't it make more sense to have something like this?
Also... is corrution then no longer relevant?
Iradiel wrote -
That build is exactly what I switched to, well except I only put one point into healthstone - another lock has 2 points so this way everyone can carry two healthstones for boss fights.
There was a guide that was posted yesterday in this board that was extremely helpful - in it he said not to use immolate. Just SB for the ISB thing.
I also went to www.maxdps.com to see what upgrades I could get and messed around with spell rotation and stuff - I think my DPS as it stands with only COS and SB is at 1350 or so. When I added in Immolate or Corruption it went down instead of up. So just a one button spam machine.
/Sigh - Too bad I haven't been able to get close to what that says I should be at for DPS. Need to practice mashing buttons more I guess
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Wouldn't it make more sense to have something like this?
That build is exactly what I switched to, well except I only put one point into healthstone - another lock has 2 points so this way everyone can carry two healthstones for boss fights.
There was a guide that was posted yesterday in this board that was extremely helpful - in it he said not to use immolate. Just SB for the ISB thing.
I also went to www.maxdps.com to see what upgrades I could get and messed around with spell rotation and stuff - I think my DPS as it stands with only COS and SB is at 1350 or so. When I added in Immolate or Corruption it went down instead of up. So just a one button spam machine.
/Sigh - Too bad I haven't been able to get close to what that says I should be at for DPS. Need to practice mashing buttons more I guess
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Some talent points are optional with destro build but main thing is to get to demonic sacrifice in the demonology tree and isb, bane , devastation, ruin, backlash, and shadow and flame - all others are personal preference - remember damage is based off your bonus damage the more you stack the more damage scales.
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iradiel - do you actually not have a main hand weapon equipped? lookin @ your armory ink it doesnt show one - a simple bringer of death with +40 spell dam would give you another +161 spell damage.
Ottilio wrote:
My gear is still not up to where it needs to be BUT - where I am it's still sooo much fun.
Haha, I almost cried. I give it 2 weeks tops, youll get tired of mashing 1 button over, and over, and over. But, sadly, it is the best.
Where in the world is Jen? He usually chimes in with whether or not Immolate/Corruption are worth casting given your current gear, tbh I've always been just a straight SB spammer but he says its more beneficial, I'd listen to whatever he says.
And yes conflag is a dps killer, dont use it.
I know a lot of firelocks were outperforming shadowlocks at Kara/SSC lvl back before they buffed Incinerate, I wonder how the 2 compare now.
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Put up CoE/CoR/CoS or if you have enough locks CoD. The only time I ever use CoA is on Hyjal trash before AoE, aside from that never use it. Then it is nothing but SB spam, no immolate no corrup. anything but SB will gimp dps. If you are really interested though go to WWS and check out the parses from top raiding guilds. Gear does not matter as far as cast sequence for destro.
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I know a lot of firelocks were outperforming shadowlocks at Kara/SSC lvl back before they buffed Incinerate, I wonder how the 2 compare now.
That's because Spellfire >>> FSW. Equal gear, shadow wins.
Edited, Apr 21st 2008 2:55pm by lsfreak
1. Put on a curse of shadow
2. Mash the Shadowbolt button
3. Pop trinket's like its hot
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3
Sometimes if the boss's have an aoe that hits everyone, i will throw on a corruption for my T6 4 piece bonus (heals life every tick of corruption damage).
I am always #1 on damage with that strategy.
1300 shadow unbuff
28% crit
202 Hit
100 Haste (can push more with the lolfelhunter staff, and switching some crit out)
2. Mash the Shadowbolt button
3. Pop trinket's like its hot
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3
Sometimes if the boss's have an aoe that hits everyone, i will throw on a corruption for my T6 4 piece bonus (heals life every tick of corruption damage).
I am always #1 on damage with that strategy.
1300 shadow unbuff
28% crit
202 Hit
100 Haste (can push more with the lolfelhunter staff, and switching some crit out)
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