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#1 Apr 10 2008 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey everyone. I've recently stowed away my frequently-frowned-upon ret set and I've been tinkering around with the other two disciplines while spending silly money and badges getting both sets of gear up to snuff.

I noticed that comparing holy vs. prot, I have an easier time soloing my dailies as holy compared to prot. Holy has a larger mana pool and beautiful abilities like holy shock and high spell-damage crits that can drop kills surprisingly quick. I find myself killing off 3 or 4 solo mobs before drinking, and they all die very fast.

Now I acknowledge the value of a prot pally in 5-mans and raids, but when it comes to soloing daillies it's been a drag. I usually drop a JoW on the mobs (I try to take on 3 to 5 same-level mobs at a time for mana efficiency, depending on whether they are casters or not - if not I increase it to 5 to 8), turn on Vengence or SoJ, keep holy shield up the whole time, and keep Ret aura and Blessing of Sanctuary up. Even then I find myself fighting forever, coming close to death by the time the mobs are dead, finding myself all out of mana, and frequently drinking. I also hate fighting single mobs because I waste almost my whole mana bar and with only one kill to show for it.

So question to you seasoned tankadins out there... am I doing something wrong, is this the norm, or do you have suggestions?

For reference: I switched back to holy for guild purposes but I'm keen on giving prot a chance since I picked up my Libram of Repentence just lately.

Edited, Apr 10th 2008 1:16pm by TooRetForYou
#2 Apr 10 2008 at 9:32 AM Rating: Decent
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after playing a kara geared rogue, a ret pally, and a warrior at 70 i have never seen the value of prot pally solo PvE.

I really just think its the norm. Its fun to do every now and then because you are so durable, but efficiency goes out the window. At least every time ive tried it. Not to mention with the current state of dalies there are hardly any groups of mobs to pull.
#3 Apr 10 2008 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
it takes the same amount of effert to kill 10 mobs as it does to kill 1 mob, thats pretty much the only thing Prot has going for it.

however, if you cant find 10 mobs to kill at once, there is little point. questing was never good for prot. prot was all about "grinding". for questing, your better off with another spec.
#4 Apr 10 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
Yes, it's horrible. There's no good way to do it that I've found, with a few exceptions. Doing dailies is a real chore. There are a few places that are alright, for instance, the sunfury attack plans quest. There are a couple camps in netherstorm that are made up entirely of melee mobs. So, I pull all of them, get 6-8 kills at a time, and can get the plans as fast as a real dps. You can do the same thing for the poison glands in SMV for the netherwing quest (but you can do the same kind of aoe grinding as a holy pally, just consecrate and heal yourself). But, basically, I've just figured out which dailies I can do, and which I can't, and I've learned how to do them with as little killing involved as possible.

After a while you just figure out how to do things without agro'ing mobs. For instance, I can fish all the water nodes on the elemental plateu without agro'ing any of the elementals.

And, the most important thing to do is complain and joke continuously in guild chat. That always makes me feel better. That, and the fact that my warlock is almost to 70, so I'll be able to farm with her soon.
#5 Apr 10 2008 at 11:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Questing as prot isn't as fast as any real 'dps' class, but it does help if you use max spell dam gear as you don't need to be uncritable/uncrushable for normal mobs. I run dailys with about 700 spell dam and they go plenty fast, although you do end up drinking a bit more. Well maybe not the frequency, just takes longer as i have 9k mana in prot spell dam gear instead of 5k mana as ret.
#6 Apr 10 2008 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Mix and match healing and tank set to get as much spelldamage as you can, without sacrificing too much avoidance/def. Also get figurine of colossus for those situations when you have a bunch of mobs hitting you. That trinket + Holy Shield = win.

Ideally you want fast-hitting, dualwielding mobs, but they are hard to come by on new area. At least in any numbers...

But killing as prot is painfully slow. On the upside, it doesn't matter much if you get 1 or 10, takes about the same time. And with 10 mobs, you'll probably end up with around half mana and almost full health if you use that trinket.

Cheers :)
#7 Apr 10 2008 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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It's norm. I have the same problem. Just one of thoes things about being Prot I guess.

#8 Apr 10 2008 at 7:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Just hit 60 on my prot paladin. Questing is slow =/

I'd hate to run dailies often on her. Luckily I have 2 DPS mains so I won't need my pally running dailies. I found a fury warrior in Outlands today and just ran around healbotting him as prot. Lol, ended much faster then me questing.

Then I found a healer and a DPS and I really went to town. AOE pulled huge groups I wouldn't dream of normally, with plenty of casters in the mix, the heals really helped, and the DPS (retadin) would mow stuff down and kill runners.

Otherwise I'd be screwed in alot of areas with runners. Yes I can JoJ but thats tons of mana.

We did buzzards in hellfire and I seriously couldn't pull enough of them. I tried to get the others to all go seperate ways and pull 3 groups to me but never had as many as I wanted. Still fought like 20 at a time easily with a healer, could have fought 50 just as easily.

So that stuffs fun. Maybe do something besides dailies? Everyones eyes light up when they see that instant quest gold, but it's really only like 100g/hour, maybe a bit more. Kill the duel wielding scryer mobs and sell drops, maybe you can make more gold by doing that or something.
#9 Apr 10 2008 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah those duel wielding blood elves at the ruins of karabor (right hand side of BT) are a great place to go and grind gold. Once you get some good tanking gear (try to find lots of block rating and spell damage gear) you can really go to town on groups of 8-9 comfortably. Just be careful for those elites that patrol around. They'll just slow you down.
#10 Apr 11 2008 at 2:11 AM Rating: Good
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Respecced to Ret for SSO quests. Toured the world to get the new blue PvP rep set, bought a blue 2H off the AH and finally can kill the broken blood elves in 15 seconds instead of 40 + drinking. Nice change, although it pretty much rules out running MgT.
#11 Apr 11 2008 at 4:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Yup I've done the Supplicants on top of BT before, usually 6 to 8 at a time, but the dailies are a lot of fun and the new goody packs sometimes give you badges (mmm..... badges). I've been doing them with my holy paladin build and it's a blast. I might just stick to Holy till I get a good reason to switch back to prot.
#12 Apr 12 2008 at 1:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Alastaironsiren wrote:
Respecced to Ret for SSO quests.


Did the same thing. My guild is focusing solely on BT and getting their first Illidan kill, so I really have little to no chance of getting into their raids with my current gear. Couple weeks of running around as Ret, while it was super easy to punch out the dailies, frankly sucked. No one wanted me in their group except this one Kara PuG (I think only cause the leader knew I was a good tank, so took me being Ret). If I wanted that treatment all the time, I'd make my Enhancement Shaman my main :(

Back to Prot now, and I must say, I missed almost everything about it: everything that is except how slow I kill things ...
#13 Apr 12 2008 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Yep, I have this big tempation to spec ret just to level 60-70. But then finding groups is annoying, I like running dungeon after dungeon as prot. I love everything about it, except (1) PVP and (2) questing.
#14 Apr 12 2008 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Aye, it's pretty bad being prot spec for dailies. The gathering and bombing ones are easy enough with your flying mount, but anything that involves killing things, especially the ones that involve a drop rate plan suck.

Skettis dailies are easy, when bombing you can't be knocked off your bird at all and the prisoner one is a piece of cake. I don't go there so much now that you don't get free potions though.

Ogrila is a mix; Simon I find boring, bombing is easy, banish is good if others aren't farming as you can aoe pull 5-6 mobs at once, and tethering netherays is good as long as you don't aggro the boars cause they take fricking ages to down.

SSO is a bit of a mix, the mana wraths one is a pain cause they mana drain so aoeing is out the question (you want 100%-0% mana in 5 seconds?). The stompy robot one is ok cause you only need to kill 5, and the sso plans is easy cause you can aoe pull 10-15 mobs at once (provided you have the magical healing trinket). Most others are a bit of a mix, they are all doable but you need to put aside basically double the time a dps class would. Cause SSO is generally busy at the moment, if you see a dps class doing the same one, throw a blessing and a couple of heals on them and ask them to group with you :)

PvP is ok if you set purely to be an annoyance to the other side. You can flag carry in WSG (takes their entire team to down you while you spam blessing of freedom and run away), AV is good cause you can just tank, and in AB you can stand and defend a flag (watch them try and cap it while you stand on the flag consecrating, bubbling, and when they finally think they have got you, throwing up Lay on Hands!). Just dont try arena, k?

Having said all that, the number one main essential is that you have stacks of water. If possible, get a mage to give you 80 mana cookies (boo 2.4) which will allow you to throw things like avengers shield, avenging wrath, exorcism and hammer of justice alot more often.
#15 Apr 13 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Default
im switch back and forth between prot and holy, while holy is definitely easier to quest, there are always people looks for groups to do the dailies with. I normally just group up with 1 or 2 people and knock them out real fast. The dps classes love having you around because they can go non stop and you can throw them a heal every once in a while.
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