Denied from heroic BM runFollow

Your +healing is far more than required for heroics +1536 with Imp DS! I don't know what they expected, but I healed heroic BM with +1100 first time, no wipes no deaths.

Perhaps the tank had taken a blow to the head, whatever, go with another group :)

Edit: Though you're only 2k from revered with Honor Hold, grab an easy HC run and get your Glyph of Renewal from the HH QM.

Edited, Apr 10th 2008 12:54pm by cococj

He was looking for an elite healer. he wanted to go through mad quick and have every advantage he could while doing it. Be happy you bow'd out. he would have been an elitest prick the whole time had you stuck in there. no win situation. you did the smart thing.

Good heals don't make BM go any faster, just better. BM is a DPS race, if anything he should have wanted elite DPS.

Edited, Apr 11th 2008 12:33pm by Draeneipally

I totally agree with everyone, it seems you just had someone that was overly pushy and did not understand what it took to properly heal. As I am just now switching to healing gear, I have run several Heroics with less than stellar + heal gear as a primary with help and as long as the team takes the time to understand the roles you can do fine.

With your healing gear, you could be the primary and not have to bother a secondary healer 95% of the time, so better that you were able to walk away.

No, quite the opposite. You need a lot of +healing for heroics. The fights are short, so you barely need a lot of mana or mana regen, but you have to be able to pump out enough healing to keep the tank and everybody else alive.
I have recently developed a liking for +haste items just for that purpose - to heal faster. I have up to +2000 healing now, and I had situations where spam healing the tank was not good enough.

+1000 healing may be enough for starting Karazhan. In a raid you usually have 1.5 healer per 5 people. In a 5-man you have one, so it better be a good one (I do think 5 is a really bad number. 6 would be so much better for 1 tank, 2 healers and 3 dps).

Anyhow, 1500 healing is probably acceptable for a heroic BM. No reason to turn down a +!500 healer. I would not.

Well I don't really agree with that. There is not enough information to say +1500 and high regen or no heroic BM. It also depends on your tank and DPS. If your tank has higher mitigation the healer can have lower gear. Also high DPS means you will have time to drink between pulls.

So if you are going to carry the entire load with an undergeared tank and DPS then yeah you better have butt kicking heal gear. I think it is more realistic to balance your group better so you can work on getting the heal gear you need and not worry about being quite so heavily geared before you start running heroics.

Necro-post... must... have... brains...

You're stupid if you didn't notice how the whole PuG thing changed and what kind of expectations people have now - and why.

Last summer people started requesting prot specced tanks for places like Blood Furnace, Slave Pens, and whatnot - NORMAL mode.

A few months ago, people started requesting "epic geared" for heroic runs.

Recently it has come to "epic pve geared"

Nobody gives a damn about the content anymore or the drops that pretty much everybody has replaced already. It's all about the badges, and the faster the better. Wipes cost money and slow everybody down. In the case of BM the slowdown is quite significant.

PuGs are asking for trouble, and one way to reduce the risk of frequent wipes is to make sure that not only group composition is perfect, but also people more or less outgear the place.

It doesn't f*** matter if you are capable of healing, taking, or dps'ing if it doesn't meet the standards of whoever is putting the group together.

There is an easy way to avoid that: Don't PuG



Yeah, maybe... but at least I know who my parents are...

What's your contribution to this thread other than an insult?

Could someone with ~1500 +Heals get through Heroic BM, sure. Would it be as optimal as someone with ~1800 or someone with 2K+ -- most likely not.

Like Kanngarnix said, it is all about efficiency. If someone is putting together a high-end group, the goal is to get in and out with zero deaths in a timely manner.

Most folks equate skill with the amount of +Heals someone has, which I don't think is a good indicator. Someone with a high +Heal amount generally is a raider or PVPer, and he or she should have a good chance of getting the job done. There are exceptions to this rule where someone with ~1400 +Heals does an awesome job, but it is hard to find those players if are running a PUG.

Of course it is, but that's how things are now. I don't approve this practice, but I'm far beyond the point of getting upset or whatever about it. Easier to accept it.

I have a raiding tree druid. Can't solo a thing unless I bring plenty of time. So when it came to the final grind for the swift flight form gold, I went and respec'ed boomkin and restokin in between raids to speed things up.

Put myself into the queue for heroic ramparts which happened to be the daily at the time, making sure to put "balance dps" into the comment section.

Two hours of questing... nothing. I'm finally getting a whisper "How much spell damage"... and never heard a thing again after I answered.

Now... I'm sitting on over 1k spell damage in my dps gear, while being hit-capped and having a decent amount of crit. If 2k+ Wraths and 4k Starfires aren't enough for freaking Ramparts anymore, something is apparently very wrong.

I've had my fair share of being left out for nothing other than the fact that druids can't sap or sheep, so I'll be the last one to approve this new trend of elitism.

If people want a fast and smooth run and think that only a certain group composition and imaginary gear level can get them that, then I sure can't blame them for that - especially if that has become common practice and they just don't know any different anymore. I just don't think that I need to be part of such a group at all costs.

I have my guild... and we've done heroic Ramps with 4 people: tree, mage, and 2 prot warrior gimps. That's something some people will obviously never experience
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I believe I agree with just about everything MentalFrog said.
MentalFrog > Bad PuGs

In heroic runs, your gear only determines how fast you run the instance and how many wipes you'll have. Granted, Heroic BM is timed, so its not a good one to start with if you're gear is iffy.

I was running heroics a year ago on my holy priest as a fresh 70 with a group I'd been grinding instances with since SM Cath. Yes, our gear sucked (blues with some greens). Yes, we needed bagdges, Yes, it was slower and we did wipe a lot. Back then it was more about strategy and coordination. We didn't know anyone to 'push us through' with their epics. And the only way to get epics was to get badges. Vicious cycle.

Now sitting at over 2200 healing, I can do pretty much any heroic with equally geared people in a little over 30 minutes. Quite different.

When you're pugging now. The groups gear basically determines where your gear needs to be. The amount of gear the tank has, what your dps has, and how much CC the group can bring. But also, how fast they want the instance to be done. So, while their gear could let you slide, they may or may not be looking for someone equally geared. Or they may want someone to pick up their own slack.








Edited, Jun 8th 2008 5:15pm by Vernanie