Which pet is the best for AoE DPS pet?
Dragonhawks have the fire breath which gets stronger as you and the pet gets stronger. Unfortunetly Dragonhawks have no increased damage, armour or health.
Gorillas have the thunderstomp which does the most damage (not sure how much fire breath does) and also creates extra threat. Gorillas also have extra HP and DPS.
Owls and bat (and the bird, but that's not DPS so I'm excluding it) have screech but does it create threat? Out of the two, I would choose Owl as Owl has claw and bats look plain ugly. Owls also have dive which is good.
So which AoE pet is the better one? I don't think Dragonhawks are too good because of their stats, thought how much stronger fire breath is at higher levels, I'm not too sure. Owl has dive and claw which makes me think it's better than Gorillas, but how much threat does screech generate and how many multishots can I fire? Gorillas have extra HP though so it can tank better, but that's not really a good reason to choose Gorillas as Owls can tank by lowering the mob's AP.
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The Dragonhawk's firebreath is more of a cone aoe in front of them, instead of a circular aoe attack. The breath does scale with your AP (the only pet ability that does).
The Gorilla's downfall is the 1 minute cooldown on their thunderstomp ability.
Screech is an excellent AOE aggro gaining skill, but the damage is minimal.
I would go with the dragonhawk.
The Gorilla's downfall is the 1 minute cooldown on their thunderstomp ability.
Screech is an excellent AOE aggro gaining skill, but the damage is minimal.
I would go with the dragonhawk.
The dragonhawk is a well rounded and very good pet overall. Not many people have it as well.
I had one of the dragonhawks from Epsilon Point in SMV for a while. The dragonhawk's fire breath can be resisted by mobs with fire resistance. It also only works in a cone in front of the pet. I'd went back to Blackrock Depths to solo farm some alchemy and enchantment recipes at 70 and found this very frustrating.
I've found a bird's or bat's screech to be more effective in general. Screech works on all mobs surrounding the pet. Mobs aren't always in front of your pet. Hence screech means they're less likely to escape your pet's aggro and visit you. You can solo multiples more effectively with screech. Screech nerfs the mobs hits so you can wait a little longer to heal your pet and pull healing aggro. I suggest a carrion bird for their greater armor, which will further put off the need for healing. Plus they eat anything. The drop in attack power with a carrion bird isn't that important. The hunter just needs to keep under the pet's aggro. What's most important is being able to take the beating from multiple mobs.
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Edited, Apr 10th 2008 10:21am by ItsaGaAs
I've found a bird's or bat's screech to be more effective in general. Screech works on all mobs surrounding the pet. Mobs aren't always in front of your pet. Hence screech means they're less likely to escape your pet's aggro and visit you. You can solo multiples more effectively with screech. Screech nerfs the mobs hits so you can wait a little longer to heal your pet and pull healing aggro. I suggest a carrion bird for their greater armor, which will further put off the need for healing. Plus they eat anything. The drop in attack power with a carrion bird isn't that important. The hunter just needs to keep under the pet's aggro. What's most important is being able to take the beating from multiple mobs.
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Edited, Apr 10th 2008 10:21am by ItsaGaAs
I haven't had much experience with dragonhawks (since pre-60's they're caster pets), but I do with gorillas and bats.
Gorillas have actual AoE DPS, albeit on a 1-minute timer. They're good in bursts, but for not durations of fighting or for rapidly moving from group to group.
As to birds, you dont really need claw. If you're going to be getting screech (which you would use every GCD) it will generate about the same, if not more threat than claw, and if you have dive-screech-bite-growl you dont have room for claw, anyway. Screech does not deal AoE damage, but the AoE threat is very good. In fact, even while keeping up mend pet, after a few screeches you can safely multishot.
My favorite pet while levelling was a bat. Screech+bite+growl is an incredible way to keep aggro, and screech lets you use MP with impunity.
Gorillas have actual AoE DPS, albeit on a 1-minute timer. They're good in bursts, but for not durations of fighting or for rapidly moving from group to group.
As to birds, you dont really need claw. If you're going to be getting screech (which you would use every GCD) it will generate about the same, if not more threat than claw, and if you have dive-screech-bite-growl you dont have room for claw, anyway. Screech does not deal AoE damage, but the AoE threat is very good. In fact, even while keeping up mend pet, after a few screeches you can safely multishot.
My favorite pet while levelling was a bat. Screech+bite+growl is an incredible way to keep aggro, and screech lets you use MP with impunity.
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Ok, I'm convinced to get screech over the other 2 moves.
So which pet? The owl or the carrison bird?
I don't really want an bat, because they look ugly, and also their just like owl, but with bite instead of claw.
Carrison bird has the exrra armour while owl has the extra DPS. I'm more of looking for a DPS pet, but like you guys had mention, screech could generate enough threat for me to multishot (and volley?), plus the extra armour could save me the time mending the pet (makes it sound like the pet is a machine).
So which pet? The owl or the carrison bird?
I don't really want an bat, because they look ugly, and also their just like owl, but with bite instead of claw.
Carrison bird has the exrra armour while owl has the extra DPS. I'm more of looking for a DPS pet, but like you guys had mention, screech could generate enough threat for me to multishot (and volley?), plus the extra armour could save me the time mending the pet (makes it sound like the pet is a machine).
Pets stats dont really matter. Just get a DPS pet, as they generate more threat, although it doesn't matter. And you want bite on a bird. You wont be using claw (in most circumstances) since both are on the GCD. Therefore, if you dont want a bat, get the bird with bite.
If you want a DPS pet, get a ravager. Train it with dash, gore and growl. Just wait a second or two to start your own attack and you'll avoid pulling aggro off your pet. Don't count on it holding aggro on more than one mob however.
Edited, Apr 10th 2008 5:13pm by ItsaGaAs
Edited, Apr 10th 2008 5:13pm by ItsaGaAs
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I already have a DPS pet, but I also want one for handling AoE, and which would be better, Owl or bird?
Owl or bird, it doesnt matter. Carrion birds have bite, Owls have claw. Owls have a little better dps, Carrion birds have a little more armor. Get whatever model you like and give it a try. Some of the 2 headed outland carrion birds look unique, not many people on my server use them.
Well now i am puzzled it almost looks like you answered your own question ?
There are 3 sorts of aoe effect though apart from growl what about furious
howl ?...
Gorillas do have a nice Thunderstomp but when on cooldown just become another pain in the *** tank pet with low dps not high dps +2 does make a little difference i agree though , and their food requirements are also not helpful..
I tried a gorilla and as it has no fast attack decided that thunderstomp plus the cooldown was not for me...
The bats/owls/carrion birds do have screech and all have dive , But depending on play style can either make targeting a mob slightly harder or annoy a group you are with by using screech and the flapping wings ...
I have tried all three and saw little difference overall in damage or health , But screech does seem to create a bit more threat so are worth having...
The missing aoe Furious Howl for wolves can be good depending on your view of it , I agree it needs scaling better , But a little extra damage from party members must help a little , But as bite has a cooldown i guess they do have lower dps...
The Dragonhawks are good but the same comments about the flapping wings as all flying beasts rule for me there , i tried one and yes the firebreath is good as i have a reasonable attack power it worked quite well but that is a forward cone as others said so not aoe effect...
There is also Wind Serpents and many love them for the Lightning Breath , Not aoe i agree but both the dragonhawk and the Wind Serpent can be by your side and still attack any mob within reach by your clicking their attack spell , i tried both and they can do a lot of damage , and if you forget about training bite do seem to stay at distance and take less damage out of the two though lightning breath and the Windserpents rule as it is a focus dump and they get +7% extra dps..
My favourites with flying beasts are the Owls and the Wind Serpents both are worth having for their DPS...
AS has been said Ravagers do great damage and seem to need less healing than most pets , but not my favourite pet as i kept one for about 5 levels and got bored with it..
Most pets if sent into a group of up to around three or four seem to switch there attacks between each mob from my experience anyway , So will have a sort of aoe effect on the group , The trick is to use a threat meter and adjust your shots or even stop your attack for a few seconds so the pet keeps the mob under control...
The real answer is pick a pet you like the looks of and can tolerate its habits , I have tried every pet family so far including castor pets , every single one did its job and i agree some need more healing or do less damage than others , All are worth having..
Until they reset each pet family with its own Special family attack there is so little real difference in the pets anyway...
There are 3 sorts of aoe effect though apart from growl what about furious
howl ?...
Gorillas do have a nice Thunderstomp but when on cooldown just become another pain in the *** tank pet with low dps not high dps +2 does make a little difference i agree though , and their food requirements are also not helpful..
I tried a gorilla and as it has no fast attack decided that thunderstomp plus the cooldown was not for me...
The bats/owls/carrion birds do have screech and all have dive , But depending on play style can either make targeting a mob slightly harder or annoy a group you are with by using screech and the flapping wings ...
I have tried all three and saw little difference overall in damage or health , But screech does seem to create a bit more threat so are worth having...
The missing aoe Furious Howl for wolves can be good depending on your view of it , I agree it needs scaling better , But a little extra damage from party members must help a little , But as bite has a cooldown i guess they do have lower dps...
The Dragonhawks are good but the same comments about the flapping wings as all flying beasts rule for me there , i tried one and yes the firebreath is good as i have a reasonable attack power it worked quite well but that is a forward cone as others said so not aoe effect...
There is also Wind Serpents and many love them for the Lightning Breath , Not aoe i agree but both the dragonhawk and the Wind Serpent can be by your side and still attack any mob within reach by your clicking their attack spell , i tried both and they can do a lot of damage , and if you forget about training bite do seem to stay at distance and take less damage out of the two though lightning breath and the Windserpents rule as it is a focus dump and they get +7% extra dps..
My favourites with flying beasts are the Owls and the Wind Serpents both are worth having for their DPS...
AS has been said Ravagers do great damage and seem to need less healing than most pets , but not my favourite pet as i kept one for about 5 levels and got bored with it..
Most pets if sent into a group of up to around three or four seem to switch there attacks between each mob from my experience anyway , So will have a sort of aoe effect on the group , The trick is to use a threat meter and adjust your shots or even stop your attack for a few seconds so the pet keeps the mob under control...
The real answer is pick a pet you like the looks of and can tolerate its habits , I have tried every pet family so far including castor pets , every single one did its job and i agree some need more healing or do less damage than others , All are worth having..
Until they reset each pet family with its own Special family attack there is so little real difference in the pets anyway...
Furious howl is an AoE buff for you and your team mates, not a debuff.
However it does create a very small amount of threat for any mobs that have a target on their aggro table that you buff.
That sounded complicated...
I mean, if your grouping with a rogue, and the rogue is on the mob your attackings aggro table at all, you buffing the rogue will transfer a small amount of threat to the pet.
However it does create a very small amount of threat for any mobs that have a target on their aggro table that you buff.
That sounded complicated...
I mean, if your grouping with a rogue, and the rogue is on the mob your attackings aggro table at all, you buffing the rogue will transfer a small amount of threat to the pet.
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Even though I use a ravager atm, I found owls to be really useful for both PvE and PvP. Screech is a good debuff and is good for aggro, and Owls deal pretty decent damage too. However, watch out for whiny guildmates or puggies that complain bout your Owl's annoying screeching sound.
In PvP, nothing more annoying than a flying bird (especially when big and red) in yo face the whole time.
Edited, Apr 12th 2008 1:49pm by kslay
In PvP, nothing more annoying than a flying bird (especially when big and red) in yo face the whole time.
Edited, Apr 12th 2008 1:49pm by kslay
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I think if I was PvPing, i would have choose a direct DPS pet like Cat or Ravager instead of a AoE pet.
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