Does Frost have a chance?Follow

Frost is viable as DPS in raids, but don't disillusion yourself to think you will be keeping up in DPS with the fire mages. From what I have heard, all things equal, frost at T4 lvl will be higher DPS than fire (think Pol sighted it with some back up info somewhere, so I'll trust it for now). But if you take time to make the epic tailoring fire set you don't have to worry about that. I also greatly enjoy frost, but don't be afraid to try out fire at 70, I love it in raids and I still spec frost for some questing and pvp.

If you want to raid as frost take a 10/0/51 or a 2/0/59 or even a 0/0/61 and you will be viable as DPS, but you won't be above the 2/48/11 or 10/48/3 fire mages with tailoring/T5+ gear.

Not sure how I forgot 17/0/44 as that is what I always spec when I actually go frost. FSW is a decent set, but the garbage set bonus really brings it down. If it had a comparable set bonus to the Spellfire, frost would become more viable. But as stated before, I personally like being fire in raids. PvP as frost is also much more enjoyable (for me).

Well im fire and i have a frost friend mage...me and him both do kara together and yea frost mages can be good in PVE and in some fights Frost is even better....i really dont like frost but i will have to go 1 day because of arena...so frost is good for both....even though i dont like it

I've been Frost for almost my entire Mage career (dabbled in Fire and Arcane specs earlier), and I'll be staying Frost for when I PvP (really, really like 10/0/51, might change to get Imp CS though). However, for PvE and raiding, I'm definitely lacking in the damage department, especially as bosses are immune to freezing and thus you lose shatter crits.

I'm currently in the process of building up my Spellfire / -strike set and converting to the Fire build (2/48/10, Ice veins ftw) to be viable end-game PvE.

I want to see some wow web stats of this.

See the reason I asked this is because my friend has had a mage for bout 2 years now and says that when he raids as frost he out dps fire mages in his guild....And he says it really just comes down to the skill of the player, but he also said that when he raids as fire that he does much more dmg than he can with frost....I really just wanted to hear what ppl had to say about frost in raids because I am in love with frost and can't see myself wanting to spec differently...I've tried fire but just did not like the survivability when everything went wrong.

Fire damage is pretty easy to do, esp against bosses.

scorch x 5, fireball x 7 (depending on lag), scorch x 1. Rinse repeat. Frost raid damage is just braindead: Frostbolt x 1,000,000.

As for a frost mage being able to beat a comparably geared warlock in T5/6..... like I said, wws or it didn't happen. FYI, you don't have to get your whole guild to post stuff. Fire mages even have issues chasing down warlocks due to shadowbolt scalability and frost doesn't do as much damage on raid bosses as fire, by quite a bit.

For those of you who say, "You can raid frost if you want to", I maintain that you can do just that. It comes at a cost. That cost is usually time because you do less dps. You want to do that, have fun. I, myself, raided frost for a very long time but more because I wanted to have an occasional ice block as an 'ohhh crap' button.

The difference between leveling a healer shadow and switching to holy is HUGE, the difference between 1 type of damage and another is relatively small. In classes like paladins, all 3 specs are essentially 3 different classes (same with druids). For mages.... not so much. DPS is DPS. You just use a different spell.

Not bad numbers at all for a mage in that level of gear(at least, from what I've seen). How much Haste you rocking exactly? I know I could have added it up from your armory, but I'm feeling lazy.

Also, if one were to assume that your neckpiece procced only on frostbolts, that's roughly 9% proc rate. If you add in all spells you cast except blizzard, that's about 6.3% proc rate. Even with blizzard, that's roughly 5%. Overall, not too bad of a proc, considering the Mana Etched 4pc is a 2% proc rate and the Spellstrike proc is roughly equivalent to a 5% proc rate.

Edit: Oh, and to those doubting Calencia, you have to also consider skill levels when you call BS on something. An exceptionally played mage will easily outDPS a mediocre or even pretty good warlock despite scaling differences.

I'll be honest, I personally rarely manage to top those numbers, but I also almost never have access to an elemental shaman, which they have two of. Also, your melee would be doing a bit better if they had windfury, which your top rogue didn't, as far as I can tell.

Edited, Apr 16th 2008 2:35am by Poldaran

I know, but there's been a lot of hostility around here lately. And that's my main concern. Because I'm a bobdarned carebear.

180spell haste. Gives me 11% increased cast speed.



I myself am still undecided about this. I almost went into this ssc as fire to again see the differences for myself, but i decided i would go as frost to get this post up. And i've gone into a ZA as fire before, did 200dps less than i usually do, I was very rusty with fire which played a big part. but i am almost starting to think haste scales with frost better than fire. haste gear kills crit/hit rating and hurts +dmg. That doesn't flow with a fire mages mojo.



Yea, the 2 ele shammy's are new additions. One was resto who put his foot down, other is new. They are nice to have around. We usualy have an enhance shammy for melee. But we had a few alternates in that raid. It's great when our Boomkin is with us heh.

Edited, Apr 16th 2008 2:25pm by CalenciaBlue

I have a question regarding frostmages in raids, hope this fits here.

Every now and than i hear about raid who bring a "frostbot" which is supposed to be a frostmage i assume, now i wonder what exactly he is brought for and what he adds in as utility, since it can´t be dps.

I am not even sure if i am not imagining this "frostbot" thing...getting old and all, you know.

I think you, sir, have just made new conventional wisdom for mages.