Hate issueFollow

Not me, well me but I'm not having trouble holding hate, which is the problem since I'm set up for DSP while my buddy has been tanking as a feral druid.

Little back ground:

Myself and some friends have started doing 5 mans. None of us are really interested in raiding full time right now (most of them have in the past, and I just came over to WoW full time a short while ago, partialy because I was sick of large group activities in FF) but do want to see as much of the content as we can.

So my buddy is tanking and I am DPSing as a Arms spec (PVP spec really). The rest of our group consists of a Priest and a Hunter, with another hunter occasionally joining us. Up till now when we haven't had the 2nd hunter, we've gone with just 4 people.

Due to the fact that the only CC we regularly use are ice traps, I generally don't use WW too much. However on pulls where we are not CCing, I definitly keep it in my rotation along with MS and Slam. Which is where I start drawing more attention than I would like. Not from the main target that he is focused on mind you, but on the rest of the pack.

Having tanked alot in FF, I'm generaly of the opinion that if a DD gets killed while the tank is still alive (and the tank is trying), there is a good chance it's the DD's fault. I'm thinking I need to hold off on WW till much later in a pull if at all. On the other hand he is figuring that WW is a big part of my DPS in crowds and I should be able to use it without yanking mobs off of him (did I mention his first job in WoW was a rogue?)

So anyway, I'm just looking for some ideas as to use of WW as a regular part of my rotation. Should I be holding back on it or is there some things he or I should be doing diferently. My normal rotation is Swing Slam Swing MS/WW. I'll slip hamstring, or pummel in as needed, and occasionally I'll slip in a rend though not very often.

I'm not actually too aware of his rotation.


as far as builds This is me. My spec is more PVP oriented as of right now, since I spend a decent amount of time doing BG, it may change tonight though, gear is proably on solo set right now, with a mix of DPS and survival.

This is His build, which should, if he remembered, be his bear tanking set, rather than his cat soloing set.

anyway, just looking for some thoughts and pointers. He is looking for some ideas and I figured I would do the same.

thanks

edit: feral not fury druid

Edited, Apr 10th 2008 2:48pm by Losttroll

I agree, leave out the WW, though if you have the extra rage Slam or heroic Strike are your options. Could still be worth changing spec if you spend more time in the instances so you can get imp. zerker stance

the tank is a druid. he should be spamming swipe and... lacerate or mangle or something. but definitely swipe.

warriors when multitanking should be spamming cleave on top of tclap.

no need to respec to fury unless 1) you have the gear to support it and 2) your guild needs more personal dps from you as opposed to making you a blood frenzy bot.

yea.... demo roar is not going to hold a mob's attention through anything, including healing. also if he's a feral druid, he should be doing swipe/mangle/lacerate like his life depended on it. actually, your life depends on it.

(EDIT: The below was written from the perspective of a tank who'd never really played a DPS class, and thus reflects some ignorance. I dont want to delete it, because it is very true and correct in some respects... but having recently respecced Fury for my guild, I see this in something of a different light. WW is a neccessary part of the Fury rotation.)

(Very general) rule of thumb... when a tank is trying to hold multiple mobs, you (as DPS) want to focus your attacks on the primary 'first kill' target. That should be the one he's heaping the most threat onto, and will most immediately be able to grab back if it turns its attention to someone else.

To keep things going smoothly, its best not to assume he's going to be able to hold the primary target AND apply enough threat on the 2nd, 3rd, etc mobs to keep them off of anyone but the healer (threat mechanics generally make keeping mobs off healers easier than DPS).

Given youre working with a Druid, it couldnt hurt to TC and Demo Shout (better debuff than his Demo Roar if I recall correctly) periodically... but until the tank is focused on the (2nd or 3rd) mob, I wouldnt do much more than that. It (the 2nd or 3rd mob) is best left alone until el oso can focus on holding it while you hack away.

PS: Demo Shout/Roar dont generate much intrinsic threat, true... but they do make it significantly easier to hold 2nd and 3rd mobs off of the healer by reducing the incoming damage to the tank. Less damage = less healing. Less healing needed allows the tank to not worry as much about putting something on each mob every few seconds to hold them off the healer, and use more of his rage on the primary target. This in turn allows DPS to burn each mob down (one by one) more quickly.



Edited, Apr 10th 2008 7:24pm by soobooboo

Edited, May 2nd 2008 12:13pm by soobooboo

hey Quor!

I haven't seen mittens in ages, think he has sworn off MMO's completely (or is just finishing up his last semster and wants to graduate with good grades or something silly like that). getting lolgaxe to post in random forums is like convincing the tide to come in so who knows.

TM lets me switch to def or battle stance and hit spell reflect immediatly while the mage is still casting or go defensive and disarm the rogue for some lols. I honestly don't think I ever change stances when I'm not in the middle of a fight or about to charge in, unless I was in def stance on an AV elite, and change back to berserk/battle after it's dead.

Giving up TM would make me

I blame the moon, really.