Well I recently started tanking for just 5-mans and things and its been alright but there has been a few problems and just want to clarify some things so I can be a better tank.
Well firstly, from what I gather, the best rotation is; shield slam, revenge, devastate, devastate. I try to do this but in the beginning when I have no rage how should I actually start? Should I use blood rage for the rage and then start the rotation or something else?
Also, should I stack sunder armour so that devastate hits harder, so more threat, or should I just keep with the rotation andshould I be using shield block whenever I can?
Lastly, when there are multiple mobs how should I go about gaining aggro on all of them and also should dps actually only be hitting the mob that I am tanking or is there no real importance in keeping aggro on just trash mobs.
Alot of questions and whoever helps, thanks :)
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 9:25am by kennypowers
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Well firstly, from what I gather, the best rotation is; shield slam, revenge, devastate, devastate. I try to do this but in the beginning when I have no rage how should I actually start? Should I use blood rage for the rage and then start the rotation or something else?
Pop your blood rage, so it can give you ~20 rage to start off the fight. Your rotation is good, but only stack devistate (sunders) when you have a melee heavy group. And yes, keep your shield block up, if not for anything else, just to get a few extra cheap revenges in.
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Lastly, when there are multiple mobs how should I go about gaining aggro on all of them and also should dps actually only be hitting the mob that I am tanking or is there no real importance in keeping aggro on just trash mobs.
Improved thunderclap is your best AoE aggro keeper. Use it alot. DPS should always keep on one target at a time. Spread out DPS will quickly lead to wipes and/or pissed off healers.
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Also, should I stack sunder armour so that devastate hits harder, so more threat, or should I just keep with the rotation andshould I be using shield block whenever I can?
Just stick to the idea that shield slam > revenge > devastate. if slam is on CD and revenge isnt lit up (or on CD), devastate away. On trash i dont worry too much about shield block, i do use it, but im usually tanking more than one mob and the charges are used up so fast its kinda meh. a little extra rage too. Always up on bosses though.
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Lastly, when there are multiple mobs how should I go about gaining aggro on all of them and also should dps actually only be hitting the mob that I am tanking or is there no real importance in keeping aggro on just trash mobs.
Alot of questions and whoever helps, thanks :)
AoE tanking... i was definitely spoiled by my prot pally. The key here is to mark everything up with a kill order. I always use skull as first kill, X as second. Once skull dies and X is engaged by DPS, i pick another skull target. TClap like crazy, but be careful of CC, Demoshout, get a slam and a sunder in on the main target, tab sunder, back to main target, slam, tab sunder... etc. If it looks like i have solid aggro i will start cleaving.
It can be hectic. especially since with my pally it was consecrate, Seal of Righteousness, and holy shield... then just kinda stand there.
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Improved thunderclap is your best AoE aggro keeper. Use it alot.
I also spam Cleave if it's a strict AoE pull. T.Clap, Cleave, tab-cleave, T.clap, and so on. Depending on the rage you're getting that's the best way I've found. Until they finally fix T. Clap to hit all surrounding mobs, there's really not a whole lot we can do.
In 5 mans, there's not a whole lot of AoE tanking needed... SH gives me nightmares still. I won't enter that place w/o every class being able to CC of some sort, or a Pally tank. Just too much going on... too many ranged mobs that kill our clothies :/
OP as for the rotation, I start with Bloodrage (for the initial rage), run up to the mob and Shiled Slam him. After that I start my Devastates, if Revenge procs on it's own, I hit it, if not I get 5'ish Devastates then start up the shield block/revenge cycle also. Now depending on how hard the mob or mobs hit, you might want to get Shield Block up sooner.
I've heard people getting Imp. Bloodrage and pop'n Block up 1st and still have enough for Shield Slam? I don't know to be honest. I concentrait on getting the inital threat 1st, then worry about my wellbeing. Not to mention with block up, you prolly are not getting the rage you would have been if you just took the 1st hit. Either way works.
After you get into your cycle of Shield Block --> Revenge, spamming Devastates, and keeping Shield Slam on a constant CD, all the while finding a good time to keep T.Clap and Demo refreshed. If you have the rage spam Heroic Strikes and Devastates. Since H.strike will go off on your next attack, you can still spam Devastates. I never believed in doing that until I read it on the forums... after I really gave it a go, my TPS shot up from something like 800-1k, to 1600-1800 I believe I hit 1900 TPS last night on Bearboss...I don't watch it all the time, I might have hit higher. On Prince fights, tanking Bearboss/eagleboss, and other bosses that my rage would normally be at full, I throw H. strike into my normal CD rotation, dip too low on rage, hold of for a hit or two.
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 10:51am by GYFFORD
if its a ranged pull back fight, be in berserker stance, and the moment the mobs get pulled, pop berserker rage then switch back to defensive stance. after you get hit by all mobs just once, youll have enough rage to tclap and start rotations. a lot of tanks write off regular berserker rage because they have to be out of their stance to start it, but if you can get a free moment at any time to switch and pop it, or even just start the fight with it on, youll be able to establish rage quickly.
for hybrid tanks who are like 7/31/24 or something, berserker rage also generates rage and lets you lock aoe hate quickly at the start.
just personally im not a huge fan of cleave, it seems like a rage dump. if it was like the druid bear's version of cleave and hit 3 targets i'd use it more, but for 20 rage i can just as easily spam some more sunders or devestates. remember when you use cleave and heroic strike, they not only cost rage, but they consume an auto attack that would have generated rage. their rage "cost" is actually higher than what's listed, and sticking to instant attacks can be better. although this is all a matter of personal preference and different styles/situations call for different rotations, so whatever works for you.
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 12:43pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
for hybrid tanks who are like 7/31/24 or something, berserker rage also generates rage and lets you lock aoe hate quickly at the start.
just personally im not a huge fan of cleave, it seems like a rage dump. if it was like the druid bear's version of cleave and hit 3 targets i'd use it more, but for 20 rage i can just as easily spam some more sunders or devestates. remember when you use cleave and heroic strike, they not only cost rage, but they consume an auto attack that would have generated rage. their rage "cost" is actually higher than what's listed, and sticking to instant attacks can be better. although this is all a matter of personal preference and different styles/situations call for different rotations, so whatever works for you.
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 12:43pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
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i have same or similar problem. latelly i cant keep aggro on me i start with 3sunder/dev then shield slam,revenge,dev,dev combo but either warlock or mage overaggrogate the mob. what im lacking plz check me on armory ; Cakarotto~kazzak eu server
if its my gear or my skills plz let me know and suggestions n advices so i can become better tank
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if its my gear or my skills plz let me know and suggestions n advices so i can become better tank
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