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#1 Apr 08 2008 at 6:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I ran VC today with 2 other hunters. We had a pally for a little bit but he had to leave early. We managed to clear all of VC with just 3 hunters (lv 19,21,21). It was a hell of a lot of fun. one wipe in the blacksmithing looking room, cause those little robots they summon dont seem to be vulnerable to growl.
#2 Apr 09 2008 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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LOL, I think in the new expansion they should make a heroic VC. Wouldn't that be cool. So many high levels run that instance anyway for their lowbie friends / alts.

Great job tho. I hate that room.
#3 Apr 09 2008 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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I always thought it was weird that some call it VC. Is that mainly a Horde convention?
#4 Apr 09 2008 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
Not really. It's a pre-tbc shortname for Deadmines since pre-tbc Dire Maul had the shortname DM. Depending on servers, it could be called DiM instead and Deadmines was called DM, but that was rarer than you'd think.
#5 Apr 09 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Decent
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vc = van clef the pirate captain. i just kinda accepted that it was VC though. isnt there something else thats named DM though?

anyways, im rereading my post and realizing its a little pointless, it was completely fun though and shows what hunters can do if they know what they are doing.
has anyone tried doing like 4 hunters and a healer for an endgame instance?

Edited, Apr 9th 2008 12:37pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
#6 Apr 09 2008 at 12:11 PM Rating: Default
DM - Dire Maul
#7 Apr 09 2008 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
Dire Maul has always been DiM for as long as I can remember.


Or maybe it's just an E.U thing.
#8 Apr 09 2008 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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I see.

In my experience Deadmines is DM, and... well, so is Dire Maul - you could generally tell which one it was from the context. It's not like that many people do Dire Maul anyway, especially not now.

To go back to the OP's question. Erm, not really, I duoed it with a warlock at about 30. We had just started playing and we didn't really get that you sort of needed a full group.

At level 60 I main tanked Strat though, with said warlock offtanking. :D

I suppose us hunters are pretty flexible in that respect. I guess that agility helps with that.

Har har... I'm sorry.

End of irrelevant post.
#9 Apr 09 2008 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Dire Maul is one of the more common Pre-BC level 60 instances that is still run, so I still see people saying VC.
#10 Apr 09 2008 at 9:29 PM Rating: Decent
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At 24 I duo'd VC on my warrior with my friend's pally. One of these days I wanna try and see how early I can solo it on a lock. I'm sure once seduce in the picture it'd be possible.
#11 Apr 09 2008 at 10:27 PM Rating: Good
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I've seen Deadmines called VC long before Dire Maul was even put into the game. I don't really know why it was called VC instead of DM back then, but oh well.
#12 Apr 09 2008 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
Maybe because isn't the main quest called van cleef? Most people wanting to do it, wanted to do it to complete the quest, so they were looking for VC to do the quest. Kinda like how on horde pre-bc you saw 60s LFG WC (looking for warlord's command, the opening quest of ony attunement). Back when there was a global LFG channel I had a parser that would intercept all LFG spam and put it in a nice screen so I could see all the people and groups looking for instances, and it sorted WC into LBRS groups.
#13 Apr 10 2008 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Never heard it called "DM" once. Never seen it spammed as "DM" once. It's always been VC on Ally side as far as I know. Some have spammed it as "Deadmines" a few times but that is rare and in a couple of those cases they were specifically going after the entry quests and not the instance for Van Cleef.

I can't say I've ever run Dire Maul, at least not to my recollection. I love running VC though. If the new term for VC is DM, fine, but I'm one of those old-schoolers that will still call it VC and spam it as such.

The goal is to kill Van Cleef, and it's one of the more 'fun' instances in the game IMO. I wish you could back door the instance for speed runs....
#14 Apr 10 2008 at 9:41 PM Rating: Decent
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On my server, it has always been called DM, and so was Dire Maul. Maybe a little confusing, but everyone did it :P

About the run tho, it came to my attention, while leveling an alt, that Blizz has made a lot of pre-tbc instances a lot easier. I remember some instances being very hard on my hunter, even with a full good geared grp. On my priest tho, I ran SM with 4, with a warlock pet tanking and me healing (as a spriest).

I don't think that's a good thing, because a lot of players that start with WoW, used to learn in instances, that you would need a good tank and a good healer in order to survive and you would actually need to L2P, otherwise you just kept wiping. Nowadays however, it's possible to complete an instance without all that. Once they hit Outlands, it's gonna be a whole new experience for them to actually need a good group and to pay attention in order to complete something.
#15 Apr 10 2008 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
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On my server, Dire Maul is DM, and Dead Mines is usually VC. Some do refer to it as DM, but maybe only a few times, until they are informed of the confused abbreviations.

Anyway, I agree that Blizz have dumbed down alot of the 1 to 60 instances. I have been surprised to be able to 4-man most of them.
However, there is an additional factor: Most of the ppl I am grouping with on my alt(s) already have a 70, and are alts themselves.
This would mean that, even if the alt is a different class, they have a good idea of group dynamics, of the principals of threat and tanking, and each classes role. This would be a big advantage even if the instances hadn't been made easier.
#16 Apr 11 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I've seen new people call Deadmines by the contraction DM. Usually it just takes one whisper to get them to use VC instead. DM means Dire Maul on Whisperwind also.

I like the lay out of Deadmines. Its a nice starting instance. That blacksmith room is where most people learn that pulling is good. :p I agree it would be fun to have a heroic version.

Edited, Apr 11th 2008 12:42pm by ItsaGaAs
#17 Apr 12 2008 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know that the whole issue with DM = Deadmines and DM = Dire Maul is.

Usually when you ran Dire Maul, you were running 1 particular wing, so you posted LFG DM West, LFG DM North, LFG DM Tribute.

I would think that seeing the West, North, Tribute after it would kind of rule out that you were LFG Deadmines.
#18 Apr 12 2008 at 10:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't really noticed a dumbing down of instances, except for the following:
1) Some instances have had the level they should be played at (and the level of the mobs) lowered.
2) Instances which used to have a lot of elite mobs outside the instance now have non-elites outside.
For the most part, though, I'd say the instances aren't much harder.

For example, I've done VC 3-manned with an 18 rogue, 19 priest, and 24 druid. DPS was slow, but we did it. I've also 2-manned it on a 24 warrior with a 24 pally. Then the really fun one was when I main-tanked it on a 17 rogue with an 18 priest, 24 lock, and 26 mage. All of these were BEFORE they nerfed instances.

I also would have to say that having a 70 doesn't mean you know how to play. I've had people playing a priest alt who "have a 70 warrior" and have no idea how rage or threat work (i.e. they PW:S me every pull and wonder why I'm not generating threat) and I've seen a paladin in 3/5 T4 who doesn't know how to use RD.
#19 Apr 13 2008 at 12:06 AM Rating: Decent
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I ran SM with 4, with a warlock pet tanking and me healing (as a spriest).


Sure shadow is different than holy, but healing isn't any different at that level anyway. I hate getting healers that want to tank or DPS because they aren't "the right spec" to heal. I've tanked Mara and ST as a arms warrior, it's not a huge difference until endgame.

Depending on faction it's VC or DM, either way I don't really pay attention. Usually though when a pally is running Dire Maul for their mount they'll say "LFM DM for the Paladin mount quest" then I know which instance they're talking about. A shift-click should clear up any confusion if they don't specify an instance.
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