It won't be much longer until my paladin finally reaches level 70 and begins the arduous task of healing many, many instances for gear and rep. I was actually curious on the Communities' opinion on the Reputation PvP gear for those just starting out on the road to healing. Is the lack of Mp5 (or any other stats) going to harm me or would they be a good stepping stone on my way to getting more "proper" healing gear?
I'm also curious to know what the general opinion on PvP gear is in a healing position during PvE raids and instances. My Paladin class leader says that +Healing and a deep Mana-pool should come before everything else, but to the point where Mp5 and Spell-Crit are not sought after at all, more like an added bonus here and there. (I don't know very much about the class in a healing role, but this doesn't seem right to me)
In short:
-How does PvP gear fare in PvE situations?
-Is PvP gear a good way to begin healing in PvE?
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Take this advice at just face value since my pally is a tank; got to bored healing. But I do agree with your pally class leader, spell crit won't do you any good since you can't really crit on healing someone. +healing and a huge mana pool are truly your greatests assests. The bigger your mana pool the longer you'll be able to heal in the long boss fights and even longer raid boss fights. The +healing will help so that you have to essentially heal less but get more from each heal.
From the little that I've looked at the PVP healing gear, a lot of it lacks MP5 which you really need because that's a quick, well somewhat quick way of regenerating mana. Most PVP sets have a lot of stamina and a lot of resilience but not much of anything else.
I think that most of the more veteran healers would agree with me that having a piece or two of PVP gear is fine, but don't base your entire set on PVP gear. Also to beat all the flamers, there is a nice stickie on healing gear from instances that is done by one of our veteran healers, I'd suggest checking that out real quick as well.
From the little that I've looked at the PVP healing gear, a lot of it lacks MP5 which you really need because that's a quick, well somewhat quick way of regenerating mana. Most PVP sets have a lot of stamina and a lot of resilience but not much of anything else.
I think that most of the more veteran healers would agree with me that having a piece or two of PVP gear is fine, but don't base your entire set on PVP gear. Also to beat all the flamers, there is a nice stickie on healing gear from instances that is done by one of our veteran healers, I'd suggest checking that out real quick as well.
get +heal, mana and spellcrit (you'll get mana bk when you're crit'ing = longer fights).. thats the 3 most important stats for pve.
In addition to the reference to the sticky, which you ought to look at, I'll say this:
+healing, +mp5 and +spell crit are essential for healing gear, though most will have either mp5 or spell crit - it's rare to find both in the same item.
The mana pool pretty much sorts itself out when you're looking for gear with the stats above - all the plate healing gear has stamina and int.
If you paladin class leader says mp5 and spell-crit are not sought after at all, he's a buffoon, pure and simple. +healing can mitigate the lack of crits and mp5 to a small extent but you really need to look for a balance of all three stats.
There's some great PVP gear that really works in a PVE healing set, certainly until you hit the tougher 25-man raids. For example, the vindicator's pendant, the vindicator's/veteran's ring, vindicator's ornamented greaves and bracers. Apparently the Arena (S1/2/3 doesn't matter) chest and gloves are nice as well.
If you can get these, which you can just by doing BGs, you'll be well on the way to getting a good healing set.
+healing, +mp5 and +spell crit are essential for healing gear, though most will have either mp5 or spell crit - it's rare to find both in the same item.
The mana pool pretty much sorts itself out when you're looking for gear with the stats above - all the plate healing gear has stamina and int.
If you paladin class leader says mp5 and spell-crit are not sought after at all, he's a buffoon, pure and simple. +healing can mitigate the lack of crits and mp5 to a small extent but you really need to look for a balance of all three stats.
There's some great PVP gear that really works in a PVE healing set, certainly until you hit the tougher 25-man raids. For example, the vindicator's pendant, the vindicator's/veteran's ring, vindicator's ornamented greaves and bracers. Apparently the Arena (S1/2/3 doesn't matter) chest and gloves are nice as well.
If you can get these, which you can just by doing BGs, you'll be well on the way to getting a good healing set.
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spell crit won't do you any good since you can't really crit on healing someone.
O.o Have you never had a heal crit? Heals DO crit, and you get 60% of the mana of the spell back when you do (with talents).
Everything that Leodis said was right, you need +Heal, +Mp5, and +Crit. The mana pool will come with that. You can't just grab a ton of mana and say that's good enough for raids. Over time, you will get a lot of ticks off your mp5 and you will have access to more mana than someone else who stacks int and ignored mp5.
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But I do agree with your pally class leader, spell crit won't do you any good since you can't really crit on healing someone.
Just to reinforce what Jack said, you can crit heals, and it really helps your mana efficiency as a Paladin because of the Illumination talent in the Holy tree.
Rep PvP gear....it's ok.
Here's a suggestion:
Get the regular instance/quest reward gear from the sticky. Fill in the blanks with BG PvP.
BG PvP gear is a good & easy alternative until you are geared for heroics. It is heavily geared toward crits, which are nice in heroics. MP5 doesn't seem to help as much in heroics because most fights are very quick and short. You either kill mobs fast, or you die (unless you have an over-geared tank). From my experience, you need burst heals.
Then, run heroics to get the good MP5 gear (and super trinket), which will help you out in raiding.
Of course, this is just a suggestion. There are many ways to do this.
Here's a suggestion:
Get the regular instance/quest reward gear from the sticky. Fill in the blanks with BG PvP.
BG PvP gear is a good & easy alternative until you are geared for heroics. It is heavily geared toward crits, which are nice in heroics. MP5 doesn't seem to help as much in heroics because most fights are very quick and short. You either kill mobs fast, or you die (unless you have an over-geared tank). From my experience, you need burst heals.
Then, run heroics to get the good MP5 gear (and super trinket), which will help you out in raiding.
Of course, this is just a suggestion. There are many ways to do this.
Jonofthedead wrote:
It won't be much longer until my paladin finally reaches level 70 and begins the arduous task of healing many, many instances for gear and rep. I was actually curious on the Communities' opinion on the Reputation PvP gear for those just starting out on the road to healing. Is the lack of Mp5 (or any other stats) going to harm me or would they be a good stepping stone on my way to getting more "proper" healing gear?
I'm also curious to know what the general opinion on PvP gear is in a healing position during PvE raids and instances. My Paladin class leader says that +Healing and a deep Mana-pool should come before everything else, but to the point where Mp5 and Spell-Crit are not sought after at all, more like an added bonus here and there. (I don't know very much about the class in a healing role, but this doesn't seem right to me)
In short:
-How does PvP gear fare in PvE situations?
-Is PvP gear a good way to begin healing in PvE?
I'm also curious to know what the general opinion on PvP gear is in a healing position during PvE raids and instances. My Paladin class leader says that +Healing and a deep Mana-pool should come before everything else, but to the point where Mp5 and Spell-Crit are not sought after at all, more like an added bonus here and there. (I don't know very much about the class in a healing role, but this doesn't seem right to me)
In short:
-How does PvP gear fare in PvE situations?
-Is PvP gear a good way to begin healing in PvE?
In short, the new PvP gear is awful PvE healing gear. there are much better blues from drops that you should be going after. Too many stat points are allocated in sta and res.
I healed kara with my pally to get gear for a tanking set. I had only PvP healing gear. about 1500+ healing 9k MP, and damn near no MP5 (300 res and about 10k hp though, worthless stats). It was tough on boss fights, i ran oom near the end every time.
If heals didn't crit, we wouldn't have Sanctified Light as a talent. Or Divine Favor. Nor Illumination.
As for the rest, I second the above. Balance the 3 stats: +heal, Mp5, spell crit. Intellect will come with the gear, so there's no need to seek out a "larger mana pool". It just simply will be there.
As for the rest, I second the above. Balance the 3 stats: +heal, Mp5, spell crit. Intellect will come with the gear, so there's no need to seek out a "larger mana pool". It just simply will be there.
I don't mean to be offensive or anything, but your pally CL doesn't sound like s/he knows at all what a holy pally should gear for. As other posters have pointed out, you need to strike a balance between your stats, although there is of course leeway for personal variation. I personally tend to be heavy on the crit and mp5 at the cost of some +heal, while others in my guild are the opposite.
I was my guild's pally CL for a while, and what we'd do with new pallies who though +heal was the be-all and end-all of healing stats was take them out with a tank, go to a world pvp area and have some dps rip into said tank. Then we'd both heal and see who lasted longer / healed more. Even though a number of them had more +heal than me, I never lost because my crit and mp5 were high enough that I'd simply outlast them while simultaneously outhealing them. And it got far better results than explanations of theorycraft ever did :p
*Edit: I should really stop hitting post instead of preview...
Edited, Apr 8th 2008 10:53pm by MetalM
I was my guild's pally CL for a while, and what we'd do with new pallies who though +heal was the be-all and end-all of healing stats was take them out with a tank, go to a world pvp area and have some dps rip into said tank. Then we'd both heal and see who lasted longer / healed more. Even though a number of them had more +heal than me, I never lost because my crit and mp5 were high enough that I'd simply outlast them while simultaneously outhealing them. And it got far better results than explanations of theorycraft ever did :p
*Edit: I should really stop hitting post instead of preview...
Edited, Apr 8th 2008 10:53pm by MetalM
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