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#1 Apr 07 2008 at 10:53 PM Rating: Excellent
Here's my rogue.

I just got Shard of Contempt, should I use it? If so, which trinket should it replace?

Haven't really followed the Expertise craze, so I'm unsure just how good 44 Expertise is... it certainly sound like a lot, but so +35Hit is also a lot of Hit and the DST is just full of win.


Edited, Apr 8th 2008 2:55am by Tyrandor
#2 Apr 07 2008 at 10:58 PM Rating: Default
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Definitely use it over Vial.

You pretty much have the best trinket setup in the game, grats.
#3 Apr 07 2008 at 11:02 PM Rating: Excellent
I guess I can get my Xavian Stiletto back in to try and offset some of that hit lost.

Any idea how often the shard procs and if it has an internal cooldown? If I can assume to have the 230atk up often enough, I can probably afford to lose some atk to increase my hit.
#4 Apr 07 2008 at 11:28 PM Rating: Good
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45s cooldown, and procs a lot. So you can assume it is up everytime the internal cooldown goes away.

It is one of the best trinkets for rogues, I also have it and love it.
#5 Apr 08 2008 at 12:10 AM Rating: Good
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44 expertise is pretty awesome. thats a big chunk of damage that now wont be dodged or parried. granted parry isnt an issue, but the gain from dodge avoidance about makes up for the loss in hit. add the proc effect and its just a little shard of heaven.
#6 Apr 08 2008 at 1:31 AM Rating: Decent
Wow, what an incredible trinket! And I thought there was nothing interesting for me in the new instance! I must have been blind.
The only problem I see here is that all tanks will roll on that. Expertise is the best tanking stat.
#7 Apr 08 2008 at 8:03 AM Rating: Excellent
Is there a 'cap' on Expertise? Do bosses all have the same parry value or does it change?
#8 Apr 08 2008 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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afaik all bosses have the same chance to parry as they do to dodge, which i think is like 6% or something. so that would be your expertise cap.
#9 Apr 08 2008 at 11:42 AM Rating: Excellent
According to wowiki it's 6.5% dodge and 12% parry.

Shard + Weapon Expertise talent give me 5.25%... so if I can get Belt of One-Hundred Deaths, I'll be capped.
#10 Apr 08 2008 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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It's somewhere right around 102 expertise rating to be capped against raid bosses, which run around 6.5% dodge at just over 3.9rating per .25%.
Remember that point-for-point, expertise is better than hit, because it affects yellow attacks (which won't be effected by hit once you have any decent amount of it). Also, the Vial eats up Stormstrike charges if you run with an enhance shammy, which means they just lost a good chunk of ES damage, or your elemental shammy lost a little boost as well.
#11 Apr 08 2008 at 12:25 PM Rating: Excellent
We have 2 rogues with the vial, Stormstrike doesn't stay up very long.

Vasjh's belt gives 25 Expertise Rating, or 6.4 Expertise, or -1.60% Dodge/Parry... so that'd take me up to -6.85%... overshooting a little, but I guess that's fine.
#12 Apr 08 2008 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
Bosses have a 5.6% chance to dodge, and the trinket has an aprox. 40% uptime on the AP boost. It's extremely good; I stopped using it because with that and the T6 Belt off Brutallus I'm over the Expertise cap.

EDIT: Looking into it some more, maybe not. The ~40% proc uptime is accurate, however.

Edited, Apr 8th 2008 7:38pm by RPZip
#13 Apr 08 2008 at 3:51 PM Rating: Excellent
Where's your 5.6% from Rp? Wiki says 6.5%. I know wiki is often wrong mind you.
#14 Apr 08 2008 at 5:54 PM Rating: Good
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i believe hes basing it off of defense tyr. 5% chance to miss/dodge/parry vs = defense targets, so three levels above you (i.e. raid bosses) means +.6% chance over the original base.
#15 Apr 08 2008 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
Quite. It was also the accepted value for a good, long while into TBC as well.

It looks like it's closer to 6.25-6.3%. I'm running with 6.25% dodge reduction at the moment, I'll check the WWS after the raid to see if I got dodged.
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