Don't make me list my stats :P
But instead of having an ego fight, please just list the faults in the guide, I am interested in that debate.
The current debate however got me bored, I didn't bother to read all of your last post...
I enjoy reading constructive criticism, but you are just flaming now!
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MystRogue wrote:
Please, share with me how you plan to achieve these stats and not simply make wild claims? Thank you.
If you could actually read, you would undoubtedly know from my previous posts that I do not plan on pointing out your fatal flaws, and am simply warning others to use caution when reading this guide, as most of it is inaccurate.
Phew, mature statement here, watch out. The verb is actually Fist, and its illegal in my current state of residence. Otherwise, you don't seem to like my Fist Weapon? Any particular reason? I've explained why I got it, and its exactly the same as the Mace in terms of in-game, aside from looks, although you probably didn't realize that, and it's certainly not in your guide.
If you could actually read, you would undoubtedly know from my previous posts that I do not plan on pointing out your fatal flaws, and am simply warning others to use caution when reading this guide, as most of it is inaccurate.
Phew, mature statement here, watch out. The verb is actually Fist, and its illegal in my current state of residence. Otherwise, you don't seem to like my Fist Weapon? Any particular reason? I've explained why I got it, and its exactly the same as the Mace in terms of in-game, aside from looks, although you probably didn't realize that, and it's certainly not in your guide.
Equipping S2 shoulders.
If you don't plan on pointing out flaws, you're just here to be a ****** and flame me because you suck at arena, so kindly GTFO.
Fists are worthless. Fists provide nothing for PvP or PvE that swords don't do better, and if you're going from a pure PvP point of view, maces are better in case mace spec gets buffed.
Fist/sword is inferior in every way to sword spec in PvE unless you have 103 DPS fists available and DON'T have 103 DPS swords available to you.
I realized the stats on the fist are the same as the mace; I was pointing out that you're a moron who thinks that fist/sword is better than sword/sword for PvE since you obviously think you're hot sh*t. I mean, your guild carrying you to Mother and giving you gear doesn't mean that you're a good rogue.
BTW, I soloed 1320-1600 in S3, not S2.
Edited, Jun 29th 2008 12:21pm by Theophany
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Equipping S2 shoulders.
If you don't plan on pointing out flaws, you're just here to be a ****** and flame me because you suck at arena, so kindly GTFO.
Fists are worthless. Fists provide nothing for PvP or PvE that swords don't do better, and if you're going from a pure PvP point of view, maces are better in case mace spec gets buffed.
Fist/sword is inferior in every way to sword spec in PvE unless you have 103 DPS fists available and DON'T have 103 DPS swords available to you.
I realized the stats on the fist are the same as the mace; I was pointing out that you're a moron who thinks that fist/sword is better than sword/sword for PvE since you obviously think you're hot sh*t. I mean, your guild carrying you to Mother and giving you gear doesn't mean that you're a good rogue.
BTW, I soloed 1320-1600 in S3, not S2.
If you don't plan on pointing out flaws, you're just here to be a ****** and flame me because you suck at arena, so kindly GTFO.
Fists are worthless. Fists provide nothing for PvP or PvE that swords don't do better, and if you're going from a pure PvP point of view, maces are better in case mace spec gets buffed.
Fist/sword is inferior in every way to sword spec in PvE unless you have 103 DPS fists available and DON'T have 103 DPS swords available to you.
I realized the stats on the fist are the same as the mace; I was pointing out that you're a moron who thinks that fist/sword is better than sword/sword for PvE since you obviously think you're hot sh*t. I mean, your guild carrying you to Mother and giving you gear doesn't mean that you're a good rogue.
BTW, I soloed 1320-1600 in S3, not S2.
Lol again...
I'm not pointing out the flaws because they are, to me, obvious and glaring, and it would be a shame to waste my time pointing them out for you. And for about the third time, no I'm not here to "flame" you, you being the hostile and aggressive one, are essentially flaming yourself. You have proven yourself arrogant, ignorant, condescending, childish, and overly defensive of your beliefs, despite their level of inaccuracy.
Fists are not worthless, and I do not like to repeat myself. If I was going from a pure PvP point of view, Maces and Fists are exactly the same, despite any future changes that I don't care about... including possible Fist spec buffs?
Fist/Sword is indeed inferior to Sword/Sword in PvE, but only barely, and there is no need for me to immediately replace them. I await upgrades in the form of swords, but in the mean time, the damage output difference between the specs for my gear is quite minimal, I assure you.
Hahaha, more ignorant, researched, childish and attempted condescending statements. Please, continue to lecture me about PvE and accuse my guild of "carrying" me. I hope it truly does help you boost your confidence and inflate your epeen, grats. But fact of the matter is I'm more experienced in PvE than you, and we have reached the same Peak in PvP. Does that me better at PvE than you? Certainly not. Does that make us equal in PvP? Certainly not. You are choosing to judge on the basis of arena, and arena ratings alone. I've already explained that I don't enjoy arena, and only commit to it when asked to. Fact is we're probably both mediocre players at best, overall, and you need to realize that. You are not a God in either realm of WoW, and your blatant disregard for the errors made in this guide prove that.
Myself and others have asked you numerous times to point out what those "glaring mistakes" are, and yet you still can't find any to point out.
Either point out some, or leave. I'm done replying to you until you do. My gear is better than yours, you somehow think that fists are equal to maces in PvP, and you're generally ignorant.
Either point out some, or leave. I'm done replying to you until you do. My gear is better than yours, you somehow think that fists are equal to maces in PvP, and you're generally ignorant.
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Myself and others have asked you numerous times to point out what those "glaring mistakes" are, and yet you still can't find any to point out.
Either point out some, or leave. I'm done replying to you until you do. My gear is better than yours, you somehow think that fists are equal to maces in PvP, and you're generally ignorant.
Either point out some, or leave. I'm done replying to you until you do. My gear is better than yours, you somehow think that fists are equal to maces in PvP, and you're generally ignorant.
No. I'll leave it to you to find them, waste of my time, to be quite honest. You wouldn't rather find and fix your own mistakes? Seems lazy to me.
False. First, gear is not everything, like you wish it was. We have practically the same level gear, bar your few guardian upgrades / trinket vs my shoulders / trinket. Maces ARE Equal to fists, prove otherwise, if you will. I call you ignorant, you call me ignorant. You sir, are sofa king pro.
MystRogue wrote:
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Myself and others have asked you numerous times to point out what those "glaring mistakes" are, and yet you still can't find any to point out.
Either point out some, or leave. I'm done replying to you until you do. My gear is better than yours, you somehow think that fists are equal to maces in PvP, and you're generally ignorant.
Either point out some, or leave. I'm done replying to you until you do. My gear is better than yours, you somehow think that fists are equal to maces in PvP, and you're generally ignorant.
No. I'll leave it to you to find them, waste of my time, to be quite honest. You wouldn't rather find and fix your own mistakes? Seems lazy to me.
False. First, gear is not everything, like you wish it was. We have practically the same level gear, bar your few guardian upgrades / trinket vs my shoulders / trinket. Maces ARE Equal to fists, prove otherwise, if you will. I call you ignorant, you call me ignorant. You sir, are sofa king pro.
You're wasting your time posting that nonsense. Why would you waste your time fixing other's mistakes?
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waste of my time, to be quite honest
Obviously it wasn't a waste of your time, since you took it to reply to the FAQ, and then start a flame war. The point of these boards is to discuss and educate each other. So either put up some advice, open a dialoge for discussion, or go away.
I absolutely love reading posts from people that try and inflate their perceived intelligence by using big words. You can almost hear Myst grinding his teeth while looking through the thesaurus for another word for ignorant. This has become a big swinging **** contest, and it's getting boring. Post up his mistakes or quietly make an exit. Kthx, don't let the door hit your *** on the way out.
It's trolling. Just ignore the troll.
When you have contributed as much to the forums as Theo has then maybe you can get away with being a lazy ****. Except no, because even when Theo is an *** he still points out where people are wrong.
You just feel like being an *** for no other reason than to be an ***.
Oh and good job posting on your one-post sock and then posting on your real account, its real hard to tell the differece...
You just feel like being an *** for no other reason than to be an ***.
Oh and good job posting on your one-post sock and then posting on your real account, its real hard to tell the differece...
MystRogue wrote:
No. I'll leave it to you to find them, waste of my time, to be quite honest. You wouldn't rather find and fix your own mistakes? Seems lazy to me.
False. First, gear is not everything, like you wish it was. We have practically the same level gear, bar your few guardian upgrades / trinket vs my shoulders / trinket. Maces ARE Equal to fists, prove otherwise, if you will. I call you ignorant, you call me ignorant. You sir, are sofa king pro.
Get the fck out of here with your Alan Moore quotes and your non sequitur debating strategy. So far eighty percent of your posts have been some kind of revenge diatribe against Theo and the other twenty percent have been you jacking off all over the Internet.
zepoodle wrote:
MystRogue wrote:
No. I'll leave it to you to find them, waste of my time, to be quite honest. You wouldn't rather find and fix your own mistakes? Seems lazy to me.
False. First, gear is not everything, like you wish it was. We have practically the same level gear, bar your few guardian upgrades / trinket vs my shoulders / trinket. Maces ARE Equal to fists, prove otherwise, if you will. I call you ignorant, you call me ignorant. You sir, are sofa king pro.
False. First, gear is not everything, like you wish it was. We have practically the same level gear, bar your few guardian upgrades / trinket vs my shoulders / trinket. Maces ARE Equal to fists, prove otherwise, if you will. I call you ignorant, you call me ignorant. You sir, are sofa king pro.
Get the fck out of here with your Alan Moore quotes and your non sequitur debating strategy. So far eighty percent of your posts have been some kind of revenge diatribe against Theo and the other twenty percent have been you jacking off all over the Internet.
Oh God, that's one of the funniest posts I've read all day.
And that includes RPZip making fun of people, so you know that's special.
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Hey Theo I have a question for you. First off awesome Guide been scanning through it-got to love them flamers with a dictionary huh? I have no 2v2s partner and was looking at a fellow Rogue-pretty skilled guy downs himself self a bit but pretty good player with access to mid-level Raid Gear. Would have him as the Burner and I the Debuff only really cause I have the Shadowsong Panter trinket. The issue is we are both Night Elves. My question is do you think it is worth trying out even though neither of us are Humans? With the viability to hit top brackets if we work our behinds off? We both want to hit 2k before the Season's end.
Invellous wrote:
Hey Theo I have a question for you. First off awesome Guide been scanning through it-got to love them flamers with a dictionary huh? I have no 2v2s partner and was looking at a fellow Rogue-pretty skilled guy downs himself self a bit but pretty good player with access to mid-level Raid Gear. Would have him as the Burner and I the Debuff only really cause I have the Shadowsong Panter trinket. The issue is we are both Night Elves. My question is do you think it is worth trying out even though neither of us are Humans? With the viability to hit top brackets if we work our behinds off? We both want to hit 2k before the Season's end.
Honestly, you can hit 2k before the season's end, but it's going to be a lot of work.
With how many people are geared up already (I just got my 3rd piece of s4 main-set gear, and I have all the other pieces like bracers, boots, etc), it's going to be very difficult for you to climb that last 200 rating.
My advice though is to try it. See how you guys do. If nothing else, you'll get some points, and it'll be a learning experience.
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Yeah I'd figured it would be alot of work. Currently rocking S4 Legs and 2/5 S2 and 2/5 S3. Got the points for either chest or helm and gloves. Only Season 2 weapons though-had alot of partner issues last Season going for more solid and stable teams this Season. Thanks for the insight bro I'll talk with my bud and see what happens-peace.
So guys I'm running rogue + lock, 4/5 s3. We have hard time vs. rogue + anything, like rogue + disc priest because rogues just rape warlocks. They are so squishy. What do i do
Lurum wrote:
So guys I'm running rogue + lock, 4/5 s3. We have hard time vs. rogue + anything, like rogue + disc priest because rogues just rape warlocks. They are so squishy. What do i do
It sounds like your lock is really, really bad. Gear and playing-wise. He shouldn't be squishy. With your gear, he should have damn near 450+ resilience, 13k HP, and 1k+ spell damage. If he doesn't have those, then his gear isn't up to par with yours and the team will be extremely hard.
As far as priest/rogue goes, you shouldn't have a problem with them. The rogue will put pressure on your lock, which will make things rough, but at the same time if the priest gets low, you blind (rogue should not have any dots on him), he'll trinket, deathcoil the priest into fears and switch to the rogue. Vanish, ShS, premed, garrote, KS, evasion and take him down. Getting him to blow CloS early on CoEx is very useful, as when he gets out of KS he's going to bust out evasion and CloS if he still has it so he can mitigate until his priest gets out of fears.
At this point, if you can prep vanish sap the priest, do it. If you can't stick with the rogue. If he blows evasion, I usually Vanish and CS him, then get to 5 CPs and rupture. At that point you can jump back to the priest and it's pretty much GG, the priest can choose to save himself or his rogue. Either way, you win.
It's a rough match, but you can't tunnel vision if you want to beat them.
Yea he just said hes new to the game. Wow, he tells me after.
Anyways, when Doing the routine CS -> KS, I have a question.
Should I wait for my energy the first 2 seconds, then burst out 2 hemos the last 2 (of the Cheap shot 4 second stun) or just keep pressing 1 (hemo) and spamming it? So burst and white damage, or just spamming the key.
Anyways, when Doing the routine CS -> KS, I have a question.
Should I wait for my energy the first 2 seconds, then burst out 2 hemos the last 2 (of the Cheap shot 4 second stun) or just keep pressing 1 (hemo) and spamming it? So burst and white damage, or just spamming the key.
Shouldn't matter, his partner will be in fearlock.
Theo, any chance of writing up something PvP wise for up and coming rogues. (ones that aren't 70 yet)
Oh Theo I wasn't talking about that. Just anytime when Cheap shotting or Kidney shotting.
And to the post above me, would there really be a point? Pre-70, It is just Cheap shot -> Kidney shot, or garrote. And since there is 0 resilience, you'll own even more.
Edited, Jul 9th 2008 12:31pm by Lurum
And to the post above me, would there really be a point? Pre-70, It is just Cheap shot -> Kidney shot, or garrote. And since there is 0 resilience, you'll own even more.
Edited, Jul 9th 2008 12:31pm by Lurum
Yea, I kinda thought that myself. I just don't want to autopilot another character to 70. I wanted to do some PvP before I got to 70. Don't want to twink, just want to experience another dimension of the game on the way up.
thanks
thanks
By Far the Funnest Rogue Bracket would have to be 49. Get Thrash Blade (Bloodrazor if you can afford) + Legionaire's (spelling?) Sword. Go Combat Swords, or sub, as I did and still it was easy. Don't even twink. Just get blues from instances and maybe some AH blues. I remember owning warriors, paladins, hell...every class. I'm not bragging, my friends do it too.
It is just where a rogue shines. 0 Resilience For The Win!
It is just where a rogue shines. 0 Resilience For The Win!
Updated the mechanic section with extended gemming advice for 3+ piece S4 rogues.
Excellent thread, thanks for all the useful information :)
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