Theo's Rogue PvP FAQFollow

Definitely Syphon.

I'd be careful though, you may need a cancelaura macro for gouge on the Syphon's proc; I've heard of it breaking gouge before.

But definitely Syphon is the superior weapon.

(Hopefully) Quick comp question... I'm finally bringing up my lock mainly for PvP kicks (BGs and Arena). Probably going to 2v2 with a good friend of mine on his rogue. I'm thinking Sl/Sl lock and ShS rogue would be a solid, high-survivability combo but another friend of mine suggested UA lock/Muti rogue would work much better. Honestly, I trust the source, but that just seems a bit whacky to me. More burst and harder dis-spells sure, but at the cost of surviving?

I'm happy to experiment and try out different things but was wondering if there are any opinions about specs within the lock/rogue comp. I'm just now starting to plan out the upgrade path for the lock (honor weap/vindicators first) and was looking for opinions and/or links to other discussions of this topic.

Thanks in advance.

Thanks for the response. I was a bit surprised by the UA/Muti comp suggestion to be honest. Just don't make sense. We'll see how it goes with Sl-Sl/ShS but I'm pretty new to arena so I don't expect to be omfgURawesome anytime soon.


This, is funny.

You said that in double rogue team both should be shadowstep. What if I use mutilate?
Also, there's going to be feral druid and holy paladin in our team. Is playing shadowstep with paladin/druid still prefered? I'm talking about 2v2

Edited, Jun 26th 2008 2:44am by arukomp

That's a team that basically gibs a lot of the double healer/warrior teams and RMP, but it will get absolutely demolished by RWD.


ShS is always preferred. Double rogue completely fails unless you're pro if one of you is mutilate or combat. Same with feral/rogue, you need to be ShS. Have that paladin respec ret, holy is ******* terrible in 2v2.

So I shouldn't play arenas with a rogue, right? Well, I guess that leaves us playing with druid all the time.

so what I've read, bloodlust brooch > shard of contempt (in terms of arena)? Just want to clarify.

Wow. It's amazing how inaccurate and misinforming this guide is, good luck to anyone who attempts to incorporate this into any of their PvP.

Please, go ahead and post your rogue's armory so that we can laugh at your ratings/gear.

Your gear is awful, grats. 11k hp versus 10.7k, 402 resil vs 355, 1762 AP vs 2001 AP, 95 hit vs 105 hit, 1330 pen vs 1204 pen. I win overall. Your team ratings are a failure. You 2v2 as spriest/rogue and can't even break 1500? That's fail, right there. I went to 1600 SOLO.

BTW, your PR is 1560 on your 3s. PR is all that matters, your team rating is not your rating.

You claim you don't like to do arena, and then disclaim my opinions (which are also expressed by top rogues)? You have little to no experience to back up your opinions. Grats on getting to 1850 for a week and picking a FIST as your MH; apologize to your guild for how awful you are for me, please.

Let me make this clear: I can get to 2004 AP with 380 resilience (and I can get another 15 from my chest as I will in 2-3 weeks), 83 hit, and 34% crit. I choose to use my PvE shoulders as they give me enough hit to be at the hit cap for most frost mages.

I never said I went to 1600 this season solo; it's readily apparent that I didn't do it this season. No, last season I went to 1600 solo from 1320. My mage friend needed arena points, so he and I would enter into a match, he would sit there behind a pillar while I completed the match. No help from him other than giving me Dampen Magic, AI, and food.

PR does mark skill. You went 9-12 on your 2s team in the 1500s. I've never had a losing record in arena, regardless of my partner (including carrying a holy priest with 6k HP and 0 resilience to Rival in S2 as Mut).

My opinions have never been questioned when I post on the oboards, and many top rogues 1) know who I am, and 2) know that I know what I'm talking about. Rogues like Buddhist, Mahiko, Cramerr, Mephz, Megaphone, Raelie, Mat, Tosan, etc.

If you think that "parts are completely false and utterly moronic," please do us all a favor and point them out so I can change them.

Until then, take your crappy fist MH and go **** yourself with it.

The main part of this comp is burning down a healer while the druid evades the other team's DPS.

Double healer teams are usually very easy if you can get roots/cyclone on the CC healer out of LOS of the focus healer, as that allows you time to burst them down quickly.

Your druid makes or breaks this comp; if your druid isn't good at kiting and CCing, you're going to have problems. LOS is very important for the druid to know, as LOSing fears/death coils will be key for RLP, where they'll CC train your druid to death. Your best bet against that team is to have the priest down by that point so it's basically rogue/rogue vs rogue/lock and you guys can CloS -> Vanish and reset the fight, hopefully with the other rogue having already had to burn Vanish/CloS to keep your druid locked down. That's going to be the biggest problem for your druid; knowing when to play offensively and when to play defensively. Having him kite DPS classes out of range of the priest will be huge, as it gives him a chance to keep up heals on himself and you and the other rogue don't need to worry about other DPS coming and putting pressure on you.

If they do put pressure on you, it's fairly easy for rogues to mitigate damage. Evasion, Vanish, CloS all make rogues extremely hard targets.

Haha, Hostile, Irrational, and Blatantly Untruthful... same old Theo.

Please, share with me how you plan to achieve these stats and not simply make wild claims? Thank you.

Quite paradoxical Theo... you bash my 2s rating and then make fantastic claims about your 2s rating in past seasons. In case you didn't realize, Season 2 was the easiest season for anyone who hit 70 before it started. The 1320 - 1600 bracket you miraculously managed to scale by yourself was filled with players like your priest friend, who just hit 70. Even after that, Season 2 was a joke to get high in the ratings... I played with a resto druid in the 2100 bracket, I'd wear my full Wildheart set, and him his Shadowcraft set.

Again, Personal Rating does not matter. As I said before, my priest friend and I attempted to play 5 minutes after maintenance, to maybe get 1600 quickly and call it... however, with the battlegroup just being brought up. it was a flurry of the best teams and only the best teams doing arenas. Again, I remind you that this is not season 2, and maintaining a winning record as combat with a shadow priest you haven't played with in some time against the top teams is harder than it seems... stop being ignorant in my opinion.

Oh mon Dieu, the oboards, Wow, important now? There is just way too much proof in that statement for me to refute any of it, you're clearly the best rogue ever... huge tool.

If you could actually read, you would undoubtedly know from my previous posts that I do not plan on pointing out your fatal flaws, and am simply warning others to use caution when reading this guide, as most of it is inaccurate.

Phew, mature statement here, watch out. The verb is actually Fist, and its illegal in my current state of residence. Otherwise, you don't seem to like my Fist Weapon? Any particular reason? I've explained why I got it, and its exactly the same as the Mace in terms of in-game, aside from looks, although you probably didn't realize that, and it's certainly not in your guide.