Theo's Rogue PvP FAQFollow

Resto druid, rogue/rogue, and feral druid are up.

Also, those interested in feral/rogue, go check out Deep 6 on warcraftmovies.

In ret/rogue, you're both pretty durable to the point that in lower brackets you should be able to burst down a healer in the span of a bubble if you get in trouble.

If you start taking too much damage, drop a Repent -> Sap combo on the DPS. If they trinket the Repent, Blind, then Sap.

There's quite a bit of control you get in ret/rogue, as well as burst. It's a really interesting comp to me.

Nerf JoJ >.> ******* hate that ****.

Perhaps a dumb question, but one worth asking for people who don't have the opportunity to try the ret/rogue comp: Do repentance/blind or repentance/sap share DR's at all? Obviously blind and sap are independent of each other, but adding repentance to the list of independent disorients almost seems to good to be true. Especially considering Blizzard took the trouble of ******** sheep/sap.

I think you misunderstood, Tyr.

What I meant by that was that any comps you're running that have a warrior, enh shaman, or feral druid will suffer because you don't have EA.

Because let's face it: those classes all have much higher burst damage capabilities than we do.

For an spriest/rogue comp, 44/0/17 is definitely what I'd do if ShS isn't working for you.

You're going to have to be careful setting up your Imp KS, though. Make sure your spriest doesn't have Mind Blast and SW:D on cooldown, as he's gonna want to use them as you Imp KS and unload.

You should pre-load your energy for that, too. Get 5 CP, get to full energy, KS, then blow it all on Muts, preferably with a CB Mut in there.

Hey Theo,

couple of quick questions for you :)

1) the 17/0/44 build listed is slightly different that the one you're using. You currently take 1pt ghostly strike and 4pts in camouflage and 2pts murder vs improved evis. Is that better for your 5v5 or just preference?


2) noob question...I have read that for pvp, maces are better vs swords? Is the reason ppl take swords is that they can just repec from shs to combat swords for pvping and raiding without needing 2 sets of weapons?

thanks!

What Spec do you recommend for a Rogue/Holy Pally combo that's just starting out?

Great guide, can't see why someone would be so childish to rate you down for it.
Rate-ups inc.
/smile

Resilience and stam vary. You can't just blindly follow "well, you need 260 resil and 10k hp and you're fine."

As mut, you need much more resilience and stam than you need as ShS. ShS has Cheat Death; mut doesn't.

Really, it's not going to matter too much what your resilience and stam are at, more what your offensive stats are at, especially this season. There's so much resilience going around that it's nigh on impossible for any team to burst a rogue.

As far as kill order, again, that varies. I can't give you a rote kill order because arena strategy is about adapting. Anyone that can give you a rote kill order is probably an idiot.

Use your brain, figure out which class can do the most damage (not necessarily the kind that lowers your hp, either) to your team, and take that person out first. It may be necessary to bait cooldowns on another player with quick burst so they get the PS, BoP, etc, so you can quickly switch targets after that.

I was recently approached to try out a fury warrior for 2v2. We'd both be first timers in arena and I'm very skeptical about any real success with that comp (after experimenting a bit, I'd be going ShS). But he's a friend of mine and is very competent in PvE, so....

General plan was to keep farming t4, trade in the tokens for pvp equiv. and try it out in time with the oncoming season.

Anyone have anecdotes, tales or right-out advise on this comp? I'm 50/50 about it to be honest at this point. But with limited raiding opportunities right now it's arena or farm.

Oh, also, have I mentioned how this thread rules lately? 'Cause, it does.

Fury warriors in general are pretty awful in arena. They take a class that needs constant attention and removes the parts that make it viable in arena. MS, Second Wind, and Imp Intercept are all in Arms.

There's really not much that can be done with this comp. You can zerg down one person if you're quick about it, but I wouldn't expect to get past 1700, if even 1600.

And that's if you're geared.

Taurrus, it's because you and most of the shamans in the shaman forums are morons. You constantly whine about how DPS specs aren't viable in arena when I'm giving you proof that they are.

I actually had a discussion with my brother about that last night. He's a 2k rated feral druid (of which there are ~50 in the US, if not the world), and he outright laughed that DPS shamans were whining about viability in arena. Feral is by far less viable than a DPS shaman is, and that's not up for debate.

If you think it is, you're a moron and have zero PvP experience.

Checking out how nice your tonsils look?

I only ask because it seems you've got your head pretty far up your ***.

Yeah, thanks Theo. I just couldn't see how Fury/ShS would work and guess it doesn't. Oh wells, off to gear out my tank then!

Cheers.