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It's not a big enough of a difference. EA reduces armor by ~3k if you have Imp EA, basically taking cloth wearers to 0 armor. Plate wearers will still have ~7k or so.

Rupture is a much more efficient use of CP.

Thought I'd throw in my thoughts as I've played ~140 2v2 games w/ a Resto (not Restokin) Druid lately:

Resto DRUID

This is a survival comp. You should be ShS spec.

This team is going to rely on both the Rogue and Druid's ability to stay out of harms way. Thinking hard about how and when to use cooldowns is going to be the difference between winning and losing.

For one thing, getting a solid opener and forcing the other team to catch up is huge in this comp. Sapping a healer and opening on a DPS will either (a) force an immediate trinket from the healer or (b) force the healer to play some serious catch up, often costing them their cooldowns. If you can get this ideal opener off, you will usually win. If the healer DOES use their cooldowns (I.e. a Druid or Shaman uses NS) you can either continue to attack their DPS while cycloning their healer or switch and cyclone their DPS and jump on their healer, who is now without the benefit of their healing cooldowns, and possibly without their trinket, too.

Knocking someone else out of stealth at the beginning can also make or break the match.

Success in this comp relies on coordinating DRs, knowing which opponents have blown trinkets, and using cooldowns effectively.

Your Druid should be spec'd 11/11/39 so that they can help out with Feral Charge, as well as double-DoT'ing your target (MOonfire, Insect Swarm) to help w/ DPS if their mana allows.

Splitting the cyclones and DPS can remove a lot of effectiveness from most enemy teams.

Pros: Versatile and fun to play.


Cons: Blind and Cyclone share DR timers. Watch that you don't overlap them. Games can be longgggg.


Counter Comp: Warrior/Druid is a hard fight unless you're well geared enough to stand toe to toe with the warrior. Ghostly Strike and Evasion can really help. Rogue/Priest can be a tough match due to Mana Burns forcing your druid into Bear.

Most double DPS can be beat with this spec - just blow your defensive cooldowns early as needed and survive their initial onslaught.


Edited, Apr 22nd 2008 6:39pm by Jordster

Edited, Apr 26th 2008 8:28pm by Jordster

Someone is still karma-hunting you. Somehow your above post was rated down to default.

Totally feeling the love, guys. I'm going to work on the 2s a bit more tonight in between deaths on Archi/Bloodboil.

THIS NEEDS A STICKY, IMO.

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Concerning Sl lock/rogue vs. sl lock/pally
In all honesty, a good warlock could solo a team with a pally healer. Curse of tounges >>>>>> pally healer. CC/LoS the lock as much as possible. If both of you are blood elf, you could conceivably kill the pally before he even pops bubble (three garrotes, two aoe silences, puppy silence.) The only hard part is keeping your rogue on the pally to kick all of his heals that you miss/resist with the silences. Much easier if he's undead, but saving devour magic for defensive dispels should suffice. BoFreedom could be an issue if your rogue doesn't have fleet footed/run speed, cloak out of the JoJ and keep on the pally. Devour the BoP if he's dumb enough to use it.

Good pallies try to LoS when they're getting burned. They key here is to follow him and give the lock nothing to CC for a few seconds while you work on the pally. CoEx on the lock as you run after the pally helps too, keeps him from peeling the rogue off for longer. Rogue should pre-emptively WotF/Vanish/CloS away from fears, and it's good game.

You may have to kill him in two pushes if neither of you are blood elf, as he'll bubble. That's fine, get out of LoS and bandage/restealth.

Edited, Apr 27th 2008 3:50pm by Banatu

Edited, Apr 27th 2008 3:53pm by Banatu

Disc Priest + CC/Dps class. The harder part being the discipline priest. They're hard to CC and hard to burn, and if you leave them alone they're dangerous.

Mostly though, priest/rogue. They can play defensively, mana burn the lock to force life taps, and just generally outlast you. Disc Priest/Hunter will be next to impossible if they have their frost trap + pillar hump down.

Edited, Apr 27th 2008 5:38pm by Banatu

First I want to say, that i find this guide, a great read, and useful for the rogue class.

My rogue is only 55 atm, and I am looking for some info, to put to good use, once I reach 70.

The only problem I have with your post is the fact that you said (1v1 Duels isn't real pvp)?? lol.

I'm sorry mate, but duel's are pvp in it's purest form. It takes the most skill, and knowledge of your class to be successful, yes gear plays a big part, don't get me wrong, but always relying on another player or player's to do well, will limit the amount of skill you can possess, when having to fend for yourself in arena, and bg's.

Not a flame much respect for the time put into this post, and i will be sure to check back for more useful info.

Keiomi lvl 70 Hun Eonar
Keiomi lvl 55 rogue Lightning's Blade. (sry the name has brought me luck :) )

Relax mate, keep your shorts on :)

First i never said it took more skill, lol, of course it takes more skill and strat to be able to handle multiple targets, that's a given.

What i said is that mastering dueling is the foundation for a strong player, if you can't handle a certain class by yourself, and know what to do, you are a henderence rather than an asset.

My point being, that dueling exp, plays a large part in understanding your class, therefore real pvp, in it's purest form.

And remember you have only yourself when dueling, no help, no heals, no xtra dps, therefore requires more skill to be successful, in mastering your class.

And for someone who masterd the art of the duel, why did you put so much time into mastering it, if it's pointless, and not real pvp?

Edited, Apr 29th 2008 8:38pm by kailiao

Edited, Apr 29th 2008 8:39pm by kailiao

Really couldn't have said it better. Tunnel vision is why so many people are effing terrible.

Why do you think so many people use Proximo and WitchHunt/MSBT?

Hello, Good guide.

I haven't posted in a while, but I'd like to add a piece to the Sub Spec, since it's the most asked about arena spec.

1) Lethality isn't good. It's a filler. Each point is somewhere around 0.2% to 0.4% extra DPS. It's only increasing crit damage. Considering Resil reduces both chance to crit and crit damage, this is a pretty gimped talent.

2) Improved EA is extremely useful vs warlocks, priests, and BM hunters. The difference between being able to use a 2-3pt EA and a 5 pt EA on a warlock is huge since ShS has energy regen issues. Think of it as gaining half a kidney shot, or half an eviscerate every 30 seconds. A finisher with a lower combo point requirement is very useful considering all the energy/combo point goodies you have in the assassination tree.

3) Vile Poisons. If you are putting 20 in Assassination, the last 4 or 5 go into Vile Poisons. Improved Poisons is only for Envenom builds, which are all terrible. Eviscerate is rarely used and you're more likely to lose a match because wound poison wasn't up than you are to lose because Evisc did 100 less damage.

So, with that in mind, there are 2 good choices for Assassination:
5 Malice, 2 Murder, 3 Ruthless, 1 Relentless, 2 EA, 2 Lethality, 5 Vile
5 Malice, 2 Murder, 3 Ruthless, 1 Relentless, 4 Lethality, 5 Vile

So, a S3 resto druid is more skilled than me because he can stand there in caster and lifebloom until his moonfire/insect swarm kills me? I am more skilled than a warlock because I am undead? Another rogue is more skilled than me because he's human?

It's good practice, but winning or losing in it doesn't really prove anything.