Theo's Rogue PvP FAQFollow

Stick with combat.

Not enough in Subtlety at 39 to be worth it. And with combat you get several shinies(Blade Flurry, Dual Wield Spec, etc...)

RR doesn't do well against MM. It's actually pretty laughable for the MM team, tbh. Not much you can do but take your losses and try and play it to the best of your ability. If they block/trinket out of blind though, you're pretty much boned.

MR is a bit different, and it's possible to win, but it relies on getting the rogue out of stealth with a sap.

My own personal preference on this setup is to grab the shadow sight (using a grab -> Vanish, or if you're NE, just shadowmeld near the gems, grab them, then stealth). Hopefully you can grab both of them without getting jumped by the mage, but we all know that's not likely. Sapping near when they come up (it's about 1.5-2 mins into the match, IIRC) should allow you to grab them, restealth, and grab a ShS -> sap on the rogue.

Of course with Perception that all goes out the window. If you both jump the mage (R1 drops CS, then vanishes, R2 drops a garrote at the end of the CS), then R1 can look for the mage's rogue in stealth near the back of R2 while R2 starts on mage, seeing if he can get a sap, and if not, popping a CS -> KS on the rogue, throwing a rupture before hitting evasion and jumping to the mage or staying on the rogue if the mage blocks. The key for this is to spilt to start until the mage blocks, then both switch to the rogue (R2 should sprint/clos/vanish over, grabbing a garrote on the rogue), then when block drops, switch to the mage and pop all buttons to get him down.

It's a tough match to be sure.

As for 3v3, MYteddy looks to be working up something (with my collaboration), but I will be finishing this. With the sitcky being all but done, I'll have this to work on when I get time/the inclination to do so.

Don't give up on me yet!

Theo, what are your thoughts on Rogue/Ret/Dpriest for 3's? They synergy between rog/ret and rog/priest is pretty good, but I've never heard of that comp before, and it briefly crossed my mind today.

It would completely fail against any druid team playing defensively. Snaring your ret to keep him off a druid that can keep out of range = GG, pretty much. A warrior/paladin/druid or warrior/disc/druid would blow that comp out of the water, and there are a lot of those in our BG.

It's decent otherwise. Ret is tricky; if they get on a druid it's pretty much GG, but most of the time all the druid team has to do is play defensively and they win on mana.

Thx guys!

Its true, for as long as Im running my R/R, M/M is the hardest fight we've met, if we can CC one of the mages as we're supposed to do (sap, blind, resap) its quite easy to burn the other M down but ive noticed that everything can go wrong if the blind is blocked.

BTW, on rogue teams, or doble stealth teams i always do the gem trick (since Im NE its quite easy) this I also learned from this forum so thx again^^

I hope to get 1700 when my partner gets geared since the rogue is his alter and it's still quite under geared (no mongoose, 1600 ap, 300Res)


I'll post any other doubt i get on low brackets.

Thank you all,

Thank u very much theo
(edit) MYteddys guide will be great too ^^

Edited, Aug 16th 2008 8:32am by moshio

Is there anything for rogue/mage to do versus lock/resto druid? We came up agaisnt 5 lock/druid teams this week, we lost to 4 of them:( I was thinking of trying something like poly lock, kill pet asap, then I go fight defensively on druid and mage tries to take the lock. We never actually tried that yet though, as i see too many things going wrong, like the lock speed summoning a new pet. The times we did try to invovle pet killing, the druid easily healed it so we gave up on that. Any strategies that might give us a chance at winning? We are low down in the arena brackets, so its possible some strategies that would not work in 1700+ would work here.

Theo, dru/lock is a counter to mage/rogue.

Any competent Warlock can keep the mage from using a shatter during cs/ks.

Edited, Sep 6th 2008 4:03pm by Kavekk

so i'm playing unusual setup. Rogue+Shockadin. We're at 1797 now, both about 300 resilience, 10k hp. We didn't play much, about a 100 games total, in about 4 weeks.

Any tips for this combo? Against healer teams, we usualy split dps, forcing the healer to decide, who to heal. I also save up some energy and pally saves his holy shock, to burst down one opponent when he's near death. That leaves us 2v1. Can that be improved in any way? We lack cc skills, sometimes we win/lose without using my blind.

Can't wait for next week to get points for s3 weapons ^^

I went to 1950 with a lock that had spell lock on auto =/

Apparently the empty mug doesn't share cooldowns with Bloodlust Brooch

Would you say it's worth using the pvp trinket to get out of stun, vanish, autoswitch it with the mug, hitting the 20 seconds of the brooch then hitting the mug trinket? Would be a nice burst.

Any recommendations on this? Or macro's to use insignia -> mug switch -> (click brooch yourself) -> (click mug yourself) -> switch mug back for insignia.



Edited, Sep 23rd 2008 10:14am by samperor

Hey Theo, I am currently doing 2v2 with a Spriest, and we are new to the whole arena system, I read up on your Comp. explanation for the Spriest Rogue, and I was curious on how to handle a "BM" hunter, resto druid? We have lost twice to this comp.

Much appreciation

Ok, and do you recommend, the priest LOS the BM hunter while BM is activated, and I Clos to remove poisons and vanish while BM wears off then proceed to attack.. Speaking out of a defensive point of view of course.

Yea, your example pretty much sums it up.. New to 70 and the rogue class, enjoying it though.. I've read up on most of your recomendations, Dual mongoose is great! No idea some guy told me to get Executioner on my MH. Bahh, oh well.. Thanks for the insight!